Republicans and Christianity

[Tarheel Baptist]

Other than on the issues of abortion and homosexuality, what else does the Republican Party stand for that is Christian?  I understand as Christians we are obligated to vote first and foremost on the two big cultural issues of our day, but it irritates me when Christians line up behind Republicans as if they are God's Own Party and that everything they do is anointed by God.  It irritates me when preachers will condemn people to hell if they don't vote Republican, yet the Republican Party supports some very un-Christian things once you take the focus off abortion and homosexuality. 

To top it off, Republicans only talk about abortion and homosexuality when an election is coming up.  Despite what you hear from liberal talking-heads, America is becoming increasingly pro-life yet the Republicans do nothing about abortion once they get into power.  If it really was as important to them as they make it out to be when running for office, that would have been all you heard about in the news during the Bush Presidency.  It's only on homosexuality that public opinion has shifted far to the left.

In addition, the marriage between conservative Christianity and the Republican Party turns a lot of younger people away from the church and ultimately the Gospel.  I believe God is far more concerned with winning souls to Christ, helping the poor and needy, and other things Jesus led by example at than he is with electing Republicans to office in the United States.

A lot of Republican ideals may be hyper-patriotic, pro-big business, and American nationalist, but you can't say they are Christian.

The Democratic Party on the other hand panders the secularists, racial, and cultural minorities.  Their bread-and-butter however aren't the atheists running academia in America.  It is the working class, many of whom would likely consider themselves Christian but don't see abortion and homosexuality as the most important thing when they go to the ballot box and instead vote on the issues that affect them personally.

A few points:

1.  It's not just the top two issues (although they're very important). There's also the religious freedom issues (I don't want to fund abortifacients or be told that I am committing a hate crime when preaching the Bible - don't kid yourself. That's where we are heading with the current regime).
2.  Don't believe that Republicans are really that much better than the Democrats. But, at the very least, they'll act like Christians when trying to get elected or re-elected (with a few notable exceptions not being the rule).
3.  When it comes to morality, the Republicans are mostly libertarian whereas Democrats are openly hostile to Christianity. Do I expect the Republicans to become more hostile towards God in the years to come. Absolutely. You can't sit on the fence forever. But, right now, the Democrats are already there. Their hatred of God,  His Holy Word, and His people is plain to see.

Agree totally!
The Democrats actually 'booed God' at their last convention!

 

[Izdaari]

I just forget their are Independent and Libertarian candidates and forget some do actually vote for them. But as long as you don't vote for the liberal Democrat (redundant, I know) I'm good with any Independent or Libertarian vote.
I will continue to vote MY conscience and conviction and you do the same....stick to the Ind and Libertarian and I'm happy for you!

Well, that's what I'm here for: to remind people that Dems and Reps aren't the only options.

But there are some Republican politicians I can support: Ron Paul and Rand Paul, Gary Johnson, Justin Amash, etc.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=BandGuy]2.  Don't believe that Republicans are really that much better than the Democrats. But, at the very least, they'll act like Christians when trying to get elected or re-elected (with a few notable exceptions not being the rule). [/quote]

The fact that they are blatant hypocrites is a positive?

 

[BandGuy]

Did I say it was a positive? Are you really that stupid or just that committed to your rhetoric?

 

[Ransom]

Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"

. . . is not a statement about economics at all.

The thread is about politics and Christianity. The accumulation of wealth without distribution is not a Christian principle.

I would also contend that government restriction of income is wrong as well.[/quote]

So we're back to the question no one can give me a straight answer for: Why is this discussion even part of a thread about "Republicans and Christians"? If it's not the place of government to restrict income or distribute wealth, it's not the business of the Republican Party either.

Materialism is an ethical issue, not a political one, except insofar as the enemies of Christ have made it political. I will pay my taxes, but I will still scream bloody murder when Big Government introduces more taxes for the sole purpose of giving money to someone else.

 

[rsc2a]

Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"

. . . is not a statement about economics at all.

Not directly. However, Paul seems to use similar arguments on looking out for one another.

Materialism is an ethical issue, not a political one, except insofar as the enemies of Christ have made it political.

"Jesus is Lord." <~~ Political statement in Roman times, political statement now.

You cannot serve God and mammon... - Jesus

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Did I say it was a positive? Are you really that stupid or just that committed to your rhetoric?

From my perspective, yes and yes. 

 

[BandGuy]

TB,

Are those affirmative responses to my 2 questions asked in my second sentence or a response to both sentences?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

TB,

Are those affirmative responses to my 2 questions asked in my second sentence or a response to both sentences?

1. Are you really that stupid
2.  or just that committed to your rhetoric?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

'God booed' at Democratic Convention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJE9YfsbNQ

 

[rsc2a]

Did I say it was a positive? Are you really that stupid or just that committed to your rhetoric?

Here was your list:

1 - This is why Republicans are better than Democrats.
2 - This is why Republicans are better than Democrats. 1
3 - This is why Republicans are better than Democrats.

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So, yes, you listed it as a positive.

1 Let me go ahead and provide the exact quote from you: But, at the very least, they'll act like Christians when trying to get elected or re-elected

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I just forget their are Independent and Libertarian candidates and forget some do actually vote for them. But as long as you don't vote for the liberal Democrat (redundant, I know) I'm good with any Independent or Libertarian vote.
I will continue to vote MY conscience and conviction and you do the same....stick to the Ind and Libertarian and I'm happy for you!

Well, that's what I'm here for: to remind people that Dems and Reps aren't the only options.

But there are some Republican politicians I can support: Ron Paul and Rand Paul, Gary Johnson, Justin Amash, etc.

IF you want to 'make a statement' by your vote, they are certainly an option.
But if you want to actually elect someone to govern,  Libertarian or Independents seldom get elected.

 

[BandGuy]

Did I say it was a positive? Are you really that stupid or just that committed to your rhetoric?

Here was your list:

1 - This is why Republicans are better than Democrats.
2 - This is why Republicans are better than Democrats. 1
3 - This is why Republicans are better than Democrats.

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So, yes, you listed it as a positive.

1 Let me go ahead and provide the exact quote from you: But, at the very least, they'll act like Christians when trying to get elected or re-elected

Never once said Republicans were better. Just less evil at this point.

 

[rsc2a]

Did I say it was a positive? Are you really that stupid or just that committed to your rhetoric?

Here was your list:

1 - This is why Republicans are better than Democrats.
2 - This is why Republicans are better than Democrats. 1
3 - This is why Republicans are better than Democrats.

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So, yes, you listed it as a positive.

1 Let me go ahead and provide the exact quote from you: But, at the very least, they'll act like Christians when trying to get elected or re-elected

Never once said Republicans were better. Just less evil at this point.

And the fact that they are bigger hypocrites makes them less evil how?

 

[BandGuy]

The fact that they are not openly hostile at this time makes them less evil.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]IF you want to 'make a statement' by your vote, they are certainly an option. But if you want to actually elect someone to govern,  Libertarian or Independents seldom get elected.[/quote]

Because the two major parties have been around since the founding of the country? But, go ahead...the status quo political powers love that the lemmings are repeating the propaganda.

 

[rsc2a]

The fact that they are not openly hostile at this time makes them less evil.

Something about whitewashed sepulchers?

 

[BandGuy]

Without a doubt.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]IF you want to 'make a statement' by your vote, they are certainly an option. But if you want to actually elect someone to govern,  Libertarian or Independents seldom get elected.

Because the two major parties have been around since the founding of the country? But, go ahead...the status quo political powers love that the lemmings are repeating the propaganda.
[/quote]

You're the ONLY one here who knows anything about American History.

I would say they (the major parties) probably love your casting your vote for, in essence, 'none of the above'...doesn't hurt them.

 

[BandGuy]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]IF you want to 'make a statement' by your vote, they are certainly an option. But if you want to actually elect someone to govern,  Libertarian or Independents seldom get elected.

Because the two major parties have been around since the founding of the country? But, go ahead...the status quo political powers love that the lemmings are repeating the propaganda.
[/quote]
Can you tell me what year the Republican party was founded? Extra credit: who was the first Republican president?