RIP Peter Ruckman 1921-2016

sword said:
look up the lyrics of any of these songs and tell me with a straight face you think there fine and it would be ok for Christians to listen too.  Start with #9

So you not only went out of your way to read the lyrics to Prince songs you had good reason to believe were filthy, but then you listed them all for us and encouraged us to go read them too? Starting with the filthiest? While simultaneously saying Prince is unsuitable for Christians to listen to?
 
Ransom said:
sword said:
look up the lyrics of any of these songs and tell me with a straight face you think there fine and it would be ok for Christians to listen too.  Start with #9

So you not only went out of your way to read the lyrics to Prince songs you had good reason to believe were filthy, but then you listed them all for us and encouraged us to go read them too? Starting with the filthiest? While simultaneously saying Prince is unsuitable for Christians to listen to?
Uh huh. And if he thinks Prince lyrics are dirty, he's led a very sheltered life. He should be grateful he hasn't discovered Tove Lo, or Eminem, or Liz Phair.
 
Recovering IFB said:
Prejudice is a permanent trait of colored people, and no amount of ?Civil Rights? will ever cure it. (Ruckman, Peter. The Pastoral Epistles. 1989, p. 121)

All black people are racists. They have color-consciousness that affects every decision they make in life, and they make decisions on the basis of color. (Ruckman, Peter. The Pastoral Epistles. 1989, p. 121)


?people who could not invent a calendar or even a wheel?If white Dutchmen had not come down there and showed "the first black man to use a white bathroom" how to farm, build, manufacture, mine, merchandise, sanitize, regulate, and organize a civilization, there would be no civilization there. It was the Shemites who built the Egyptian empire, and it is NOT in central Africa; it borders Asia and had access to all the wisdom and culture of the east (Mesopotamia, Syria, Persia, Chalead, and Israel) through the centuries. Eqypt is now the exception which the monkey men use to overthrow the rule. It is an old, old story. The rule is: unless "whitey" shows the black man how to play the piano, the tuba, the trombone, the banjo, the saxophone, the clarinet, and the trumpet, he stays squatted in front of a hollow log. (Ruckman, Peter. Discrimination: The Key to Sanity. 1994, p. 20)


Yup, this sounds like a man who loved Jesus
 
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Izdaari said:
Ransom said:
sword said:
look up the lyrics of any of these songs and tell me with a straight face you think there fine and it would be ok for Christians to listen too.  Start with #9
So you not only went out of your way to read the lyrics to Prince songs you had good reason to believe were filthy, but then you listed them all for us and encouraged us to go read them too? Starting with the filthiest? While simultaneously saying Prince is unsuitable for Christians to listen to?
Uh huh. And if he thinks Prince lyrics are dirty, he's led a very sheltered life. He should be grateful he hasn't discovered Tove Lo, or Eminem, or Liz Phair.
You have a good point. I did debate how to respond and choose to list what I thought was clear evidence his music was not appropriate for a Christian. I know compared to many rap & hip hop artists his music is mild but that still does not make it ok. I did not listen to that kind of music as a kid nor did my children when they were in my home. As far as I know they do not listen to it now. That does not mean I was not exposed to it at school or when I worked in the Mill.  We all have a different line we draw when it comes to music but I would have never thought we would be debating if Prince was appropriate for Christians. I don't think we will ever agree on what is or is not Christian so we can just agree to disagree.
 
According to FB, I think I'm one of the few Christians on the planet to actually pay attention the the words of a Prince song. We didn't play Purple Rain in our services yesterday, either.  :)
 
I drove my little red corvette to church and my wife had a raspberry beret! lol
 
sword said:
Izdaari said:
Ransom said:
sword said:
look up the lyrics of any of these songs and tell me with a straight face you think there fine and it would be ok for Christians to listen too.  Start with #9
So you not only went out of your way to read the lyrics to Prince songs you had good reason to believe were filthy, but then you listed them all for us and encouraged us to go read them too? Starting with the filthiest? While simultaneously saying Prince is unsuitable for Christians to listen to?
Uh huh. And if he thinks Prince lyrics are dirty, he's led a very sheltered life. He should be grateful he hasn't discovered Tove Lo, or Eminem, or Liz Phair.
You have a good point. I did debate how to respond and choose to list what I thought was clear evidence his music was not appropriate for a Christian. I know compared to many rap & hip hop artists his music is mild but that still does not make it ok. I did not listen to that kind of music as a kid nor did my children when they were in my home. As far as I know they do not listen to it now. That does not mean I was not exposed to it at school or when I worked in the Mill.  We all have a different line we draw when it comes to music but I would have never thought we would be debating if Prince was appropriate for Christians. I don't think we will ever agree on what is or is not Christian so we can just agree to disagree.
No doubt true. You grew up in an IFB world, and I was raised secular, became a Christian in college. went through a variety of churches. and wound up Episcopalian and ELCA Lutheran (one church with two affiliations). We follow the same Jesus, but our cultures and standards are completely different. And that's ok, it's good to know a wide variety of people.

Btw, Eminem is a rapper, Tove Lo is a Swedish pop/rock artist who's gained a US following, and Liz Phair is kind of folk/pop/alternative. I like all three of them in certain moods, though they aren't my favorites.
 
FSSL said:
I drove my little red corvette to church and my wife had a raspberry beret! lol
I would drive a red Corvette to church, wearing a raspberry beret, if I owned them.
I can probably afford the beret, not the Corvette!
 
Izdaari said:
sword said:
Izdaari said:
Ransom said:
sword said:
look up the lyrics of any of these songs and tell me with a straight face you think there fine and it would be ok for Christians to listen too.  Start with #9
So you not only went out of your way to read the lyrics to Prince songs you had good reason to believe were filthy, but then you listed them all for us and encouraged us to go read them too? Starting with the filthiest? While simultaneously saying Prince is unsuitable for Christians to listen to?
Uh huh. And if he thinks Prince lyrics are dirty, he's led a very sheltered life. He should be grateful he hasn't discovered Tove Lo, or Eminem, or Liz Phair.
You have a good point. I did debate how to respond and choose to list what I thought was clear evidence his music was not appropriate for a Christian. I know compared to many rap & hip hop artists his music is mild but that still does not make it ok. I did not listen to that kind of music as a kid nor did my children when they were in my home. As far as I know they do not listen to it now. That does not mean I was not exposed to it at school or when I worked in the Mill.  We all have a different line we draw when it comes to music but I would have never thought we would be debating if Prince was appropriate for Christians. I don't think we will ever agree on what is or is not Christian so we can just agree to disagree.
No doubt true. You grew up in an IFB world, and I was raised secular, became a Christian in college. went through a variety of churches. and wound up Episcopalian and ELCA Lutheran (one church with two affiliations). We follow the same Jesus, but our cultures and standards are completely different. And that's ok, it's good to know a wide variety of people.

Btw, Eminem is a rapper, Tove Lo is a Swedish pop/rock artist who's gained a US following, and Liz Phair is kind of folk/pop/alternative. I like all three of them in certain moods, though they aren't my favorites.
I have heard of the first 2 but never heard of the 3rd. Could not name a single song from any of them. Like you said very different worlds.
 
At the Wednesday Bible Study this week at the soul-winning Assemblies of God church I attend, we discussed Peter Ruckman. I pointed out that when George Beverly Shea died three years ago, you didn't have lots of Christians posting on forums that he was not really saved.

I have never heard of anyone quoting Galatians 5:19-21 to show that George Beverly Shea was not saved.
 
Vince Massi said:
I pointed out that when George Beverly Shea died three years ago, you didn't have lots of Christians posting on forums that he was not really saved.

What an inept comparison. George Beverly Shea also didn't denounce everyone who disagreed with him with the worst sort of invective, either.

I have never heard of anyone quoting Galatians 5:19-21 to show that George Beverly Shea was not saved.

I have never heard of George Beverly Shea practicing the works of the flesh, either. Dr. Petey had most of the ones in verse 20 in spades.
 
Ransom said:
Vince Massi said:
I pointed out that when George Beverly Shea died three years ago, you didn't have lots of Christians posting on forums that he was not really saved.

What an inept comparison. George Beverly Shea also didn't denounce everyone who disagreed with him with the worst sort of invective, either.

I have never heard of anyone quoting Galatians 5:19-21 to show that George Beverly Shea was not saved.

I have never heard of George Beverly Shea practicing the works of the flesh, either. Dr. Petey had most of the ones in verse 20 in spades.
I have heard Shea sing. Not my style, but he was very good. I don't know anything about his life other than that he was a Christian and an excellent singer.
 
Izdaari said:
Ransom said:
Vince Massi said:
I pointed out that when George Beverly Shea died three years ago, you didn't have lots of Christians posting on forums that he was not really saved.

What an inept comparison. George Beverly Shea also didn't denounce everyone who disagreed with him with the worst sort of invective, either.

I have never heard of anyone quoting Galatians 5:19-21 to show that George Beverly Shea was not saved.

I have never heard of George Beverly Shea practicing the works of the flesh, either. Dr. Petey had most of the ones in verse 20 in spades.
I have heard Shea sing. Not my style, but he was very good. I don't know anything about his life other than that he was a Christian and an excellent singer.

There is a biography of him (maybe an autobiography) called Then Sings My Soul.  It may be out of print these days. I have music of him singing, but never heard him in person.  So I didn't know him well. I do know that he was associated with Billy Graham for most of his life.
 
Just for clarification, lest Vince come back and zing me for theological error:

Ransom said:
I have never heard of George Beverly Shea practicing the works of the flesh, either. Dr. Petey had most of the ones in verse 20 in spades.

No doubt Shea had his personal, secret sins; of course, we all do. But by all outward appearances, his life was characterized by faith, decency, and integrity, and free of scandal. Unlike Ruckman, whose life was characterized by false doctrine, a cult of personality, pugnaciousness and rage. I have no doubt Shea is enjoying the presence of his Lord and Saviour, just as I have no doubt that Ruckman isn't having a very enjoyable time at all where he's gone.

There. Now Vince has nothing on me except to call me a "scorner" again, as if that means anything.
 
Galatians 5:19-21 shows us how to recognize that a person is not really saved. George Beverly Shea lived such a life that nobody who believes Galatians 5:19-21 (including me) is willing to apply a single part of it to him.

Now, let me quote the next two verses, which describe a person who IS really saved.

"22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law."

Is ANYONE willing to cite Galatians 5:22-23 as evidence that Peter Ruckman was saved?
 
Vince Massi said:
Galatians 5:19-21 shows us how to recognize that a person is not really saved. George Beverly Shea lived such a life that nobody who believes Galatians 5:19-21 (including me) is willing to apply a single part of it to him.

Now, let me quote the next two verses, which describe a person who IS really saved.

"22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law."

Is ANYONE willing to cite Galatians 5:22-23 as evidence that Peter Ruckman was saved?
Probably not. From everything I've heard, he didn't exhibit those qualities.
 
Thank you, Izdaari.

So, nobody is willing to cite  Galatians 5:22-23 as evidence that Peter Ruckman was saved?

Brethren, I?m not trying to be hateful-I'm trying to be helpful. Peter Ruckman invented two versions of the doctrine that the KJV is THE Bible, when it is not. People who believe either one of these doctrines call themselves "King James Only," but they are not. They got the doctrine from men, who got it from men, who, ultimately, got it from Peter Ruckman.And Peter Ruckman was an unsaved man.
 
Vince Massi said:
Galatians 5:19-21 shows us how to recognize that a person is not really saved. George Beverly Shea lived such a life that nobody who believes Galatians 5:19-21 (including me) is willing to apply a single part of it to him.

Now, let me quote the next two verses, which describe a person who IS really saved.

"22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law."

Is ANYONE willing to cite Galatians 5:22-23 as evidence that Peter Ruckman was saved?

Better do some more study there Vince Galatians 5: 22-23... This is not about salvation, it is written to the saved about whether they are walking in the Spirit, where the fruit of the Spirit is evident, or they are walking in the flesh, where the the list of the flesh is evident.

Whether Ruckman is saved or not is up to the Lord, surely his words, his practices, his unloving approach to others can make one wonder.
 
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