Should a Christian Drink Alcohol

[praise_yeshua]

It's an issue of Christian liberty.  Obviously, no one is advocating drunkenness...the divide on the issue is.on whether moderate drinking is ok.  For many people (for example, recovering alcoholics) even moderate consumption isn't ok.  For others, an occasional glass of wine may not be a problem at all.  There are traps for the unwise at both ends of the spectrum-----the libertine can stumble into drunkenness, DUIs, or reckless behavior; and the legalist teetotaler can stumble into Pharisee-ism, which is every bit as sinful for different reasons. 

The individual Christian must trust Christ for wisdom concerning things like alcohol.  A blanket rule not based on direct Scriptural commands only urges people to look to themselves instead of looking to Christ.

So many people are caught up in "things". How we perceive "Things" often just get in the way of our relationship to God.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It's an issue of Christian liberty.  Obviously, no one is advocating drunkenness...the divide on the issue is.on whether moderate drinking is ok.  For many people (for example, recovering alcoholics) even moderate consumption isn't ok.  For others, an occasional glass of wine may not be a problem at all.  There are traps for the unwise at both ends of the spectrum-----the libertine can stumble into drunkenness, DUIs, or reckless behavior; and the legalist teetotaler can stumble into Pharisee-ism, which is every bit as sinful for different reasons. 

The individual Christian must trust Christ for wisdom concerning things like alcohol.  A blanket rule not based on direct Scriptural commands only urges people to look to themselves instead of looking to Christ.

So many people are caught up in "things". How we perceive "Things" often just get in the way of our relationship to God.

I'll second that.

 

[Izdaari]

Yes, if he/she wants to. In moderation and using good judgement. And of course, if one has an addictive personality and cannot drink without becoming an alcoholic, then abstain.

I've been drinking moderately and sensibly for about 40 years now wihtout becoming an alcoholic, so I think I'm safe.  :-*

 

[FSSL]

I've been drinking moderately and sensibly for about 40 years now wihtout becoming an alcoholic, so I think I'm safe.  :-*

Hey! Your speech is slurred!! Lol! Teasing ya!

 

[Frag]

On a related note, should Jesus have turned water into wine?

He didn't. He turned it into Welch's grape juice! 

Welch's?  No.  Fresh grape juice free of corruption?  Of course. 

 

[Recovering IFB]

On a related note, should Jesus have turned water into wine?

He didn't. He turned it into Welch's grape juice! 

Welch's?  No.  Fresh grape juice free of corruption?  Of course.

John 2:9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, 10 and saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
Nope; by the rulers reaction, you can tell it was alcoholic wine.
It's amazing that so many people just can't read the text and see this clearly. But go ahead and beleive that Frag, I'm sure in Heavan the Lord will have you serve wine to all the other saints. ;D

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

On a related note, should Jesus have turned water into wine?

He didn't. He turned it into Welch's grape juice! 

Welch's?  No.  Fresh grape juice free of corruption?  Of course.

Corruption is yeast.  You know how you get grape juice to be free of corruption?  You let it ferment until the alcohol kills the yeast and purifies the wine.  And then you can even use the wine to purify water.  Which they did. 

Based on what this man is saying, the wine at the wedding had to have alcohol in it.  “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!”

If Jesus had turned the water into grape juice, his reaction would have been more like this: “WTH IS THIS??  Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. Instead, you have replaced good wine with a purple Fizzie and you think we won't notice?!?!?!”

 

[Frag]

Your opinions on the ruler's comments are based on this culture's viewpoint of aged wine being superior to fresh grape juice.  Which is nonsense.  Christ's miraculous "wine" was "good" because it was fresh, thus void of corruption.  The "worse" wine is that which is corrupted, not that which is fresh.

If Jesus would have provided "good" miraculous bread, would it taste fresh baked or "aged".  Your mentality means you prefer moldy bread to hot rolls....

 

[bgwilkinson]

On a related note, should Jesus have turned water into wine?

He didn't. He turned it into Welch's grape juice! 

Fermented Lord's Supper Juice.

This is an anecdotal story about fermented grape juice.

One year Bro. Hyles wanted to do Lord's Supper on New years eve at midnight when the new year was arriving.  New Years eve that year was on a Monday and we always did the preparation of the elements at 5:00PM Saturday evening just before our Adams chapel meeting.

It was 56 hours between the time we prepared the trays of juice and the time of serving on Monday at midnight.

Everything went off without a hitch. Enough deacons showed up to do the serving.

All was well until some of us realized when we drank the cup that the juice had a slightly bitter taste.

You guessed it, the juice was fermented. We had noticed a slight change in the juice on the Sunday evenings when we had Lord's Supper but nothing like that New Years eve.

We checked cups from several trays that did not get served, and they all had some cups that were fermented.

We always used fresh unopened Welch's, we never saved it til the next time because of the fermentation problem.

It was so ironic with Bro. Hyles explaining we used unfermented grape juice because fermentation represented corruption and because Jesus blood was God's Blood there was no corruption in it.

He was wrong on both the Magic Blood theory as well as the facts of fermentation of fresh Welch's grape juice.

Bro. Hyles never noticed the fermentation when he drank the cup. He never said anything about it.

I always thought it was because he was so accustomed to drinking nearly pure alcohol with his constant use of Binaca breath drops.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Yes, if he/she wants to. In moderation and using good judgement. And of course, if one has an addictive personality and cannot drink without becoming an alcoholic, then abstain.

I've been drinking moderately and sensibly for about 40 years now without becoming an alcoholic, so I think I'm safe.  :-*

In 1Tim 3 we find the qualifications for those who serve as Elders and Servants in the congregation of Christ.

One of those is 1Tim 3:3  "Not given to wine". Now if wine was unfermented grape juice there would be no need for the precaution, but grape juice doesn't stay unfermented for very long.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Your opinions on the ruler's comments are based on this culture's viewpoint of aged wine being superior to fresh grape juice.  Which is nonsense.

Not this cultures viewpoint, what the ruler actually said.
"10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now."
well drunk=methyō to be drunk, you see, they would serve good wine first then the bad later after people were drunk, you know?methyō? but Jesus served the good wine after the people had already been drinking. so when you say.....

  Christ's miraculous "wine" was "good" because it was fresh, thus void of corruption.  The "worse" wine is that which is corrupted, not that which is fresh.

makes your version of the story,absurd in their cultural viewpoint.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Your opinions on the ruler's comments are based on this culture's viewpoint of aged wine being superior to fresh grape juice.  Which is nonsense.  Christ's miraculous "wine" was "good" because it was fresh, thus void of corruption.  The "worse" wine is that which is corrupted, not that which is fresh.

If Jesus would have provided "good" miraculous bread, would it taste fresh baked or "aged".  Your mentality means you prefer moldy bread to hot rolls....

The passage clearly represents wine as alcoholic.  You are imposing your view on the text.  You reason, "Jesus would never make or approve of wine with alcohol in it, therefore ignore the clear context, and believe the wine he produced must have been grape juice."

 

[Ransom]

Your opinions on the ruler's comments are based on this culture's viewpoint of aged wine being superior to fresh grape juice.  Which is nonsense.  Christ's miraculous "wine" was "good" because it was fresh, thus void of corruption.  The "worse" wine is that which is corrupted, not that which is fresh.

Wasn't just our culture, there, Frag. "No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better" (Luke 5:39).

In Isa. 25:9, God also promises his people "a feast of wine on the lees." Lees are the product of fermentation. God is promising well-aged wine as a blessing.

If Jesus would have provided "good" miraculous bread, would it taste fresh baked or "aged".  Your mentality means you prefer moldy bread to hot rolls....

By this logic, mild cheddar is always superior to old cheddar, raw cabbage is always superior to sauerkraut, and we shouldn't eat olives at all since they are inedible without fermenting.

In fact, why are you eating bread at all? You should be happy with a bowl of wet flour rather than subject it to corruption (bread rises because of exactly the same process that turns grape juice into wine).

 

[Biker]

Alcohol is a depressant so even a little depresses the libido making the members of our body less sensitive. No thanks

1/2 a half a glass can calm nerves to the point of that person doing stuff they normally wouldn't, or ever do

Alcohol in scripture is linked to sexual sin for a reason. It's very dangerous.  Pot is better if you must do something

 

[praise_yeshua]

Alcohol is a depressant so even a little depresses the libido making the members of our body less sensitive. No thanks

1/2 a half a glass can calm nerves to the point of that person doing stuff they normally wouldn't, or ever do

Alcohol in scripture is linked to sexual sin for a reason. It's very dangerous.  Pot is better if you must do something

"Nut" alert.....

 

[Biker]

"Nut" alert.....

Well bless your pea pickin heart. It's not earth day but confession day 

 

[praise_yeshua]

"Nut" alert.....

Well bless your pea pickin heart. It's not earth day but confession day

Pot is better????

It would take a "nut" to say something like this....

 

[subllibrm]

"Nut" alert.....

Well bless your pea pickin heart. It's not earth day but confession day

Pot is better????

It would take a "nut" to say something like this....

Heroin was invented as a pain reliever. Quite effective at it too.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

"Nut" alert.....

Well bless your pea pickin heart. It's not earth day but confession day

Pot is better????

It would take a "nut" to say something like this....

Heroin was invented as a pain reliever. Quite effective at it too.

Saw a taped episode of The Big Picture with Kal Penn last night and the topic was the world wide web. It was interesting it said that Steve Jobs, the guy who invented the computer mouse and the guy who wrote the literary book on which the WWW is based all credit their using LSD for their special creativity. Without LSD, we might not have the Internet.

The Big Picture with Kal Penn - Season 1 Episode 7 "Born to be Wired" Full Episode

The Big Picture with Kal Penn Season 1 Episode 7 : Ever wonder where the “cloud” is? Or how our “wireless” actually connects us to everything, all the time? Cyberspace might seem like some kind of magical force that just floats around us but it’s not. What was the secret ingredient that transformed a suburban area south of San Francisco into a global tech mecca? We explore the role LSD played in making Silicon Valley the hub of today’s PC and Internet revolutions.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

"Nut" alert.....

Well bless your pea pickin heart. It's not earth day but confession day

Pot is better????

It would take a "nut" to say something like this....

Heroin was invented as a pain reliever. Quite effective at it too.

Lots of pain meds are still based on derivatives of opium (heroin is such a derivative). 

There's also a drug that is often used to reduce nausea for patients getting Chemo with THC as the active ingredient.  THC is what gets you high in pot.