Some who don't Pastor, or once Pastored....

[The Rogue Tomato]

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

How many still going?

And are there any Christians attending those churches? 

 

[prophet]

For those who would like to tell pastors how to pastor or ridicule them because they do Pastor, I'd suggest this:

Since there is no 'call' to pastor, just start a church this week...around your kitchen table.
Gather a captive audience and see what you have or what is accomplished in 6 months or 6 years.

It's easy to do...anybody can do it!
LET US KNOW HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU....

Get a real job.  Let us know how that works out for you.

When I came to the church I Pastor (1982), there were about 12 people meeting in a home. I worked painting and cleaning houses for a college friend's rental agency. We also sold our furniture on 2 occasions to pay the rent and buy groceries for our 2 children. I went out almost every night and Saturdays visiting and contacting people about our new ministry.

Go thou and do likewise and let us know how it works out for you.

Been there, done that, left it in the hands of the elders I ordained, started a new one the next month.
Repeat.

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

I don't knock you for doing the Lord's work, concerning planting churches.

I just sincerely dont see any instructions to us to appoint one man over any of them.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

For those who would like to tell pastors how to pastor or ridicule them because they do Pastor, I'd suggest this:

Since there is no 'call' to pastor, just start a church this week...around your kitchen table.
Gather a captive audience and see what you have or what is accomplished in 6 months or 6 years.

It's easy to do...anybody can do it!
LET US KNOW HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU....

Get a real job.  Let us know how that works out for you.

When I came to the church I Pastor (1982), there were about 12 people meeting in a home. I worked painting and cleaning houses for a college friend's rental agency. We also sold our furniture on 2 occasions to pay the rent and buy groceries for our 2 children. I went out almost every night and Saturdays visiting and contacting people about our new ministry.

Go thou and do likewise and let us know how it works out for you.

Been there, done that, left it in the hands of the elders I ordained, started a new one the next month.
Repeat.

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

I don't knock you for doing the Lord's work, concerning planting churches.

I just sincerely dont see any instructions to us to appoint one man over any of them.

I'm not sure I understand 'one man over any of them'.

 

[prophet]

For those who would like to tell pastors how to pastor or ridicule them because they do Pastor, I'd suggest this:

Since there is no 'call' to pastor, just start a church this week...around your kitchen table.
Gather a captive audience and see what you have or what is accomplished in 6 months or 6 years.

It's easy to do...anybody can do it!
LET US KNOW HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU....

Get a real job.  Let us know how that works out for you.

When I came to the church I Pastor (1982), there were about 12 people meeting in a home. I worked painting and cleaning houses for a college friend's rental agency. We also sold our furniture on 2 occasions to pay the rent and buy groceries for our 2 children. I went out almost every night and Saturdays visiting and contacting people about our new ministry.

Go thou and do likewise and let us know how it works out for you.

Been there, done that, left it in the hands of the elders I ordained, started a new one the next month.
Repeat.

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

I don't knock you for doing the Lord's work, concerning planting churches.

I just sincerely dont see any instructions to us to appoint one man over any of them.

I'm not sure I understand 'one man over any of them'.

One "pastor" over any of the churches that you and I have been involved on planting...is what I meant.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

How many still going?

Most of them, thankfully.
We have partnered with other people on some of them...others we have done in house,so to speak.
Each of them have Pastors and most have their own buildings, although a few still rent facilities.
Many churches today have church planting strategies, some call the branch churches, others allow them to be autonomous. We chose the latter strategy.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

For those who would like to tell pastors how to pastor or ridicule them because they do Pastor, I'd suggest this:

Since there is no 'call' to pastor, just start a church this week...around your kitchen table.
Gather a captive audience and see what you have or what is accomplished in 6 months or 6 years.

It's easy to do...anybody can do it!
LET US KNOW HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU....

Get a real job.  Let us know how that works out for you.

When I came to the church I Pastor (1982), there were about 12 people meeting in a home. I worked painting and cleaning houses for a college friend's rental agency. We also sold our furniture on 2 occasions to pay the rent and buy groceries for our 2 children. I went out almost every night and Saturdays visiting and contacting people about our new ministry.

Go thou and do likewise and let us know how it works out for you.

Been there, done that, left it in the hands of the elders I ordained, started a new one the next month.
Repeat.

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

I don't knock you for doing the Lord's work, concerning planting churches.

I just sincerely dont see any instructions to us to appoint one man over any of them.

I'm not sure I understand 'one man over any of them'.

One "pastor" over any of the churches that you and I have been involved on planting...is what I meant.

Each of those churches have their own Pastor, I have not and do not serve as such.

 

[prophet]

For those who would like to tell pastors how to pastor or ridicule them because they do Pastor, I'd suggest this:

Since there is no 'call' to pastor, just start a church this week...around your kitchen table.
Gather a captive audience and see what you have or what is accomplished in 6 months or 6 years.

It's easy to do...anybody can do it!
LET US KNOW HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU....

Get a real job.  Let us know how that works out for you.

When I came to the church I Pastor (1982), there were about 12 people meeting in a home. I worked painting and cleaning houses for a college friend's rental agency. We also sold our furniture on 2 occasions to pay the rent and buy groceries for our 2 children. I went out almost every night and Saturdays visiting and contacting people about our new ministry.

Go thou and do likewise and let us know how it works out for you.

Been there, done that, left it in the hands of the elders I ordained, started a new one the next month.
Repeat.

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

I don't knock you for doing the Lord's work, concerning planting churches.

I just sincerely dont see any instructions to us to appoint one man over any of them.

I'm not sure I understand 'one man over any of them'.

One "pastor" over any of the churches that you and I have been involved on planting...is what I meant.

Each of those churches have their own Pastor, I have not and do not serve as such.

Just like in Acts chapter nil, where the Apostles appointed a head elder in every city, or church.

For the sincere Bible student,  they appointed "elders" pl.  in every city.

Check out Acts 20...

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Each of those churches have their own Pastor, I have not and do not serve as such.

I think that's what he means.  One pastor per church.  Sorry, given you think of pastors as being Pastors, that should be each has a Number One Pastor, with a big P. 

Nothing that Depends couldn't solve. 

 

[subllibrm]

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

How many still going?

Most of them, thankfully.
We have partnered with other people on some of them...others we have done in house,so to speak.
Each of them have Pastors and most have their own buildings, although a few still rent facilities.
Many churches today have church planting strategies, some call the branch churches, others allow them to be autonomous. We chose the latter strategy.

That is the model we are building toward. The branch/satellite model just seems to me to be a build your own personal denomination plan.

 

[prophet]

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

How many still going?

Most of them, thankfully.
We have partnered with other people on some of them...others we have done in house,so to speak.
Each of them have Pastors and most have their own buildings, although a few still rent facilities.
Many churches today have church planting strategies, some call the branch churches, others allow them to be autonomous. We chose the latter strategy.

That is the model we are building toward. The branch/satellite model just seems to me to be a build your own personal denomination plan.

Yup.  The Christian reformed church in( Dyer?, I think) has done well that way.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

How many still going?

Most of them, thankfully.
We have partnered with other people on some of them...others we have done in house,so to speak.
Each of them have Pastors and most have their own buildings, although a few still rent facilities.
Many churches today have church planting strategies, some call the branch churches, others allow them to be autonomous. We chose the latter strategy.

That is the model we are building toward. The branch/satellite model just seems to me to be a build your own personal denomination plan.

I agree, although some of my friends in ministry have satellite campuses.

Our church has always been interested in church planting....Dr Falwell encouraged us to start churches...it's easier to birth a baby than raise the dead was his oft repeated mantra.

We have partnered with others to start churches, one group in the states and another to plant churches in other countries. But, we have also planted churches 'on our own', and hope to plant a Hispanic Church and a church in a housing project we currently have an ongoing ministry in. Hopefully next year, depending on the finances and The Lord supplying laborers.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

For those who would like to tell pastors how to pastor or ridicule them because they do Pastor, I'd suggest this:

Since there is no 'call' to pastor, just start a church this week...around your kitchen table.
Gather a captive audience and see what you have or what is accomplished in 6 months or 6 years.

It's easy to do...anybody can do it!
LET US KNOW HOW IT WORKS OUT FOR YOU....

Get a real job.  Let us know how that works out for you.

When I came to the church I Pastor (1982), there were about 12 people meeting in a home. I worked painting and cleaning houses for a college friend's rental agency. We also sold our furniture on 2 occasions to pay the rent and buy groceries for our 2 children. I went out almost every night and Saturdays visiting and contacting people about our new ministry.

Go thou and do likewise and let us know how it works out for you.

Been there, done that, left it in the hands of the elders I ordained, started a new one the next month.
Repeat.

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

I don't knock you for doing the Lord's work, concerning planting churches.

I just sincerely dont see any instructions to us to appoint one man over any of them.

I'm not sure I understand 'one man over any of them'.

One "pastor" over any of the churches that you and I have been involved on planting...is what I meant.

Each of those churches have their own Pastor, I have not and do not serve as such.

Just like in Acts chapter nil, where the Apostles appointed a head elder in every city, or church.

For the sincere Bible student,  they appointed "elders" pl.  in every city.

Check out Acts 20...

We didn't appoint anybody or anything.
We simply helped them get started, by seeding them with people and funds.
They became autonomous churches and are not dictated to....

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

We've also been involved in planting about 150 churches over the years...and counting.

How many still going?

And are there any Christians attending those churches?

Give it a shot and let us know how it works out for you....

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Those who can, DO.
A few others just criticize the way they DO it.... 

 

[T-Bone]

I personally think there is room for all kinds of church bodies...don't understand all the criticism ...we are not in competition, we should be working together for the same goal.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I personally think there is room for all kinds of church bodies...don't understand all the criticism ...we are not in competition, we should be working together for the same goal.

There is only one church body; the body of Christ.  Local assemblies, but only one body.  One head, who is Christ. 

I couldn't care less how TB does "going to church".  I just love to tweak people who pull scripture interpretations out of their butt ("here's an example of one person evangelizing to a crowd, so it must be the prescribed model for preechin and church-a-goin!") and then ignore plain scriptural instructions to the contrary. 

 

[bruinboy]

I was in a pastors family for 40 years, on the staff of a IFB church for 5, etc.  The preaching gig is not a bad one at all.  Their work is much easier that the job I had for 20+ years in senior management at Fortune 500 companies.  Could I have done the job, absolutely, with one exception.  I do believe it takes a person with a special call to be a minister. I preached many times at our church and was lauded for my teachings, etc.  However, it was just a speech to me, giving the people something new and exciting to consider.  You see, I could have done it for a year or two, based on making people feel good and my natural leadership skills.  BUT, I was not called to be a minister and soon people would have realized that it was not a 100% effort, because I lacked the grace of God on my ministry.
It is not a bad gig,if you can do it with God's blessings and help and it is your passion. IMVVVHO 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I was in a pastors family for 40 years, on the staff of a IFB church for 5, etc.  The preaching gig is not a bad one at all.  Their work is much easier that the job I had for 20+ years in senior management at Fortune 500 companies.  Could I have done the job, absolutely, with one exception.  I do believe it takes a person with a special call to be a minister. I preached many times at our church and was lauded for my teachings, etc.  However, it was just a speech to me, giving the people something new and exciting to consider.  You see, I could have done it for a year or two, based on making people feel good and my natural leadership skills.  BUT, I was not called to be a minister and soon people would have realized that it was not a 100% effort, because I lacked the grace of God on my ministry.
It is not a bad gig,if you can do it with God's blessings and help and it is your passion. IMVVVHO

I have never been a pastor or preacher.  I have no desire to be a pastor or preacher.  I have taught Sunday school and held bible studies, but that was a long time ago.  I've attended more than I've taught, and I like it that way.  I attend a church where anyone is permitted to speak, and we (they) take turns, so it's in an orderly fashion.  I never speak.  If God ever puts it in my heart to say something, I will.  Until then, I have no desire to. 

My so-called career has been one job after another with very tight deadlines and many people depending upon me, and needing results yesterday.  And by deadlines, I mean I had no choice.  Delays were impossible in rapid publishing. 

Right now the demands are different but extremely intense.  I enjoy it, because I enjoy helping people.  But I work my rear off, and there's never a break.  I have a dozen cases at any given time, and everyone seems to have to deploy next week.  So I have to provide complex solutions to highly skilled people in my field who can't figure out the solutions for themselves.  And I have to do it so they can deploy on Monday.  They always seem to have to deploy on Monday, and they tell me that on Thursday. 

That's a real job.  Visiting people, coming up with a speech every week, officiating weddings and funerals -- Some of it might involve sadness, but it would be a vacation for me.  Not that I'd switch.  I don't believe that's how the body of Christ functions, so I couldn't just ride the gravy train and pretend it was right.  If you can do it, more power to ya. 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I was in a pastors family for 40 years, on the staff of a IFB church for 5, etc.  The preaching gig is not a bad one at all.  Their work is much easier that the job I had for 20+ years in senior management at Fortune 500 companies.  Could I have done the job, absolutely, with one exception.  I do believe it takes a person with a special call to be a minister. I preached many times at our church and was lauded for my teachings, etc.  However, it was just a speech to me, giving the people something new and exciting to consider.  You see, I could have done it for a year or two, based on making people feel good and my natural leadership skills.  BUT, I was not called to be a minister and soon people would have realized that it was not a 100% effort, because I lacked the grace of God on my ministry.
It is not a bad gig,if you can do it with God's blessings and help and it is your passion. IMVVVHO

I have never been a pastor or preacher.  I have no desire to be a pastor or preacher.  I have taught Sunday school and held bible studies, but that was a long time ago.  I've attended more than I've taught, and I like it that way.  I attend a church where anyone is permitted to speak, and we (they) take turns, so it's in an orderly fashion.  I never speak.  If God ever puts it in my heart to say something, I will.  Until then, I have no desire to. 

My so-called career has been one job after another with very tight deadlines and many people depending upon me, and needing results yesterday.  And by deadlines, I mean I had no choice.  Delays were impossible in rapid publishing. 

Right now the demands are different but extremely intense.  I enjoy it, because I enjoy helping people.  But I work my rear off, and there's never a break.  I have a dozen cases at any given time, and everyone seems to have to deploy next week.  So I have to provide complex solutions to highly skilled people in my field who can't figure out the solutions for themselves.  And I have to do it so they can deploy on Monday.  They always seem to have to deploy on Monday, and they tell me that on Thursday. 

That's a real job.  Visiting people, coming up with a speech every week, officiating weddings and funerals -- Some of it might involve sadness, but it would be a vacation for me.  Not that I'd switch.  I don't believe that's how the body of Christ functions, so I couldn't just ride the gravy train and pretend it was right.  If you can do it, more power to ya.

Yet again, I say...IF it's so easy, if it's just a gravy train....gather a few people around the table and begin a church. In a few years, let us know how the gravy train has worked out for you.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Yet again, I say...IF it's so easy, if it's just a gravy train....gather a few people around the table and begin a church. In a few years, let us know how the gravy train has worked out for you.

Wow! talk about obsession, your starting to sound like a broken record.