Sunday School - Would you do it again?

[ALAYMAN]

No shame.  We have more than one adult SS class, so they may  choose which ever one they wish to attend, without question.  While I don't have any problem with people making the choice that best suits their learning capacity and style, I am more disturbed that many people regularly intentionally and willfully absent themselves from the gathering of God's people for Sunday School and many other assemblies.

Yes, you try to shame people about not "going to church", myself included, even when you have no clue what you're talking about.

You should be ashamed to absent yourself from the assembly, such as the manner of some is.  Guilt is not always a bad thing.

 

[Prin.Ciples]

Sunday school is nothing more than a local church effort to make up for lazy parenting.

Who ever decides to trust their children's spirtual education to a local school sunday teacher is down right naive and lazy. Take the time to teach your own children. Its your responsibility and not another.

I totally disagree! And I am very involved in my children's lives!  And since my son's Sunday School teacher is actually the Pastor I think he is in good hands.

Your children aren't your "Pastor's" responsibilty. Nor does the Scriptures command that "Pastors" teach other people's children about God. I know you've probabily been accustom to living within this apostate church age, but you should really give more creedance to the Scripture than apostate tradition.

Eph 6:4  Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

For far too long, children have been raising children. Its time every man learn enough to teach his own children the instructions of the Lord. Your children might just love you more for it and not build unhealthy relationships with "pastors" in which they think they can do no wrong...... and the "pastor" knows everything. Relationships were beliefs isn't founded in the Scriptures but "pastoral tradition". Relationships in which you're alway having to ask "what does the pastor have to say about that"?

What does SS school got to with the father's responsibility of teaching/raising his own children? Let me answer that for you.....NUTTIN! SS does not lesson the father's responsibility in any way. If you keep them out of SS ya as well keep them out of morning service also. Why let them hear the preacher's sermon? Keep em' home. Forsake it altogether. It's been my observance that when a father's not bringing his children to church, he's usually neglecting them at home also.

Very simple answer. You miss it because you've been trained to accept the norm. When my children are with me, I know exactly what they are taught and how they are taught. I know exactly what to correct and how to correct it. Believe me, I do just that.

Go ahead and dump your kids in some SS class and expect them to recieve the right training. You're being naive.

You experience has nothing to do with me. I teach my kids at every turn. Whenever there is an oppurtunity. I don't need people like you to control what I already have a handle on. Stay out of our lives with your garbage requirements.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Sunday school is nothing more than a local church effort to make up for lazy parenting.

Who ever decides to trust their children's spirtual education to a local school sunday teacher is down right naive and lazy. Take the time to teach your own children. Its your responsibility and not another.

I totally disagree! And I am very involved in my children's lives!  And since my son's Sunday School teacher is actually the Pastor I think he is in good hands.

Your children aren't your "Pastor's" responsibilty. Nor does the Scriptures command that "Pastors" teach other people's children about God. I know you've probabily been accustom to living within this apostate church age, but you should really give more creedance to the Scripture than apostate tradition.

Eph 6:4  Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

For far too long, children have been raising children. Its time every man learn enough to teach his own children the instructions of the Lord. Your children might just love you more for it and not build unhealthy relationships with "pastors" in which they think they can do no wrong...... and the "pastor" knows everything. Relationships were beliefs isn't founded in the Scriptures but "pastoral tradition". Relationships in which you're alway having to ask "what does the pastor have to say about that"?

What does SS school got to with the father's responsibility of teaching/raising his own children? Let me answer that for you.....NUTTIN! SS does not lesson the father's responsibility in any way. If you keep them out of SS ya as well keep them out of morning service also. Why let them hear the preacher's sermon? Keep em' home. Forsake it altogether. It's been my observance that when a father's not bringing his children to church, he's usually neglecting them at home also.

Very simple answer. You miss it because you've been trained to accept the norm. When my children are with me, I know exactly what they are taught and how they are taught. I know exactly what to correct and how to correct it. Believe me, I do just that.

Go ahead and dump your kids in some SS class and expect them to recieve the right training. You're being naive.

Do you realize how ignorant it is to assume your knowledge and experience of SS teachers is the same for all people everywhere?

 

[Prin.Ciples]

Sunday school is nothing more than a local church effort to make up for lazy parenting.

Who ever decides to trust their children's spirtual education to a local school sunday teacher is down right naive and lazy. Take the time to teach your own children. Its your responsibility and not another.

I totally disagree! And I am very involved in my children's lives!  And since my son's Sunday School teacher is actually the Pastor I think he is in good hands.

Your children aren't your "Pastor's" responsibilty. Nor does the Scriptures command that "Pastors" teach other people's children about God. I know you've probabily been accustom to living within this apostate church age, but you should really give more creedance to the Scripture than apostate tradition.

Eph 6:4  Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

For far too long, children have been raising children. Its time every man learn enough to teach his own children the instructions of the Lord. Your children might just love you more for it and not build unhealthy relationships with "pastors" in which they think they can do no wrong...... and the "pastor" knows everything. Relationships were beliefs isn't founded in the Scriptures but "pastoral tradition". Relationships in which you're alway having to ask "what does the pastor have to say about that"?

What does SS school got to with the father's responsibility of teaching/raising his own children? Let me answer that for you.....NUTTIN! SS does not lesson the father's responsibility in any way. If you keep them out of SS ya as well keep them out of morning service also. Why let them hear the preacher's sermon? Keep em' home. Forsake it altogether. It's been my observance that when a father's not bringing his children to church, he's usually neglecting them at home also.

Very simple answer. You miss it because you've been trained to accept the norm. When my children are with me, I know exactly what they are taught and how they are taught. I know exactly what to correct and how to correct it. Believe me, I do just that.

Go ahead and dump your kids in some SS class and expect them to recieve the right training. You're being naive.

Do you realize how ignorant it is to assume your knowledge and experience of SS teachers is the same for all people everywhere?

He assumed the same in implying I neglected my children. The only reason you focused on me is you agree on what you're attacking me on.

Yes, this is my experience. Yes, it happens all the time. Might it not happen to you. Yes. Either way, I am talking primarily about biblical standards and the primary witness of the Scriptures. You can't make a case for SS as we know it....from the Scriptures. It doesn't exist.

 

[kaba]

If you dont think the Sunday School teachers are going to teach Bibical Principles, why are you going to church there?

 

[ALAYMAN]

He assumed the same in implying I neglected my children.

No, he wasn't assuming that about you.  He was using a logical argument known as reductio ad absurdum, which was taking your logic ("SS is unnecessary") to its natural conclusion, in order to try to show you the error in your claim.

Yes, this is my experience. Yes, it happens all the time. Might it not happen to you. Yes. Either way, I am talking primarily about biblical standards and the primary witness of the Scriptures. You can't make a case for SS as we know it....from the Scriptures. It doesn't exist.

You can't make a case for musical instruments in the church from Scriptures, microphones, speakers, nor air conditioning.  Does your church have any of those?

 

[Prin.Ciples]

If you dont think the Sunday School teachers are going to teach Bibical Principles, why are you going to church there?

I don't attend SS. Well, I do from time to time, but not most of the time. The pastor is different story. Well educated and learned. Gifted. A rare person in my opinion. A good teacher is very rare.

 

[Prin.Ciples]

He assumed the same in implying I neglected my children.

No, he wasn't assuming that about you.  He was using a logical argument known as reduction ad absurdum, which was taking your logic ("SS is unnecessary") to its natural conclusion, in order to try to show you the error in your claim.

No, that is not the natural conclusion. Its an assumption. Step back and try again.

You can't make a case for musical instruments in the church from Scriptures, microphones, speakers, nor air conditioning.  Does your church have any of those?

Why is it people have to make such wild comparisons. Musical instruments, microphones, speakers, and the air conditoning isn't teaching my children about God while I'm not there. Geeze...

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Bob H]It's been my observance that when a father's not bringing his children to church, he's usually neglecting them at home also.[/quote]

It had been my observation that people who make these kind of statements often have no idea what they are talking about.

 

[ALAYMAN]

No, that is not the natural conclusion. Its an assumption. Step back and try again.

checkmate

Why is it people have to make such wild comparisons. Musical instruments, microphones, speakers, and the air conditoning isn't teaching my children about God while I'm not there. Geeze...

It's not a wild comparison.  There are examples of people teaching other people in a variety of NT settings, but there ane ZERO examples of the things I mentioned.  I'm using Scriptural warrant, whereas you are using preferential humanistic bias.  And for the record, I've already stated that the parent should have the say-so on whether their kid is separated from them in church setting, so don't pin that one on me.  To repeat what has already been said, if the teaching is competent, your point about SS dissolves into thin air.

 

[Prin.Ciples]

It's not a wild comparison.  There are examples of people teaching other people in a variety of NT settings, but there ane ZERO examples of the things I mentioned.  I'm using Scriptural warrant, whereas you are using preferential humanistic bias.  And for the record, I've already stated that the parent should have the say-so on whether their kid is separated from them in church setting, so don't pin that one on me.  To repeat what has already been said, if the teaching is competent, your point about SS dissolves into thin air.

We'll have to disagree on the comparison. I don't believe its in line with topic at hand. I've argued enough about it.

I'm all for competent teaching, yet it still a matter of responsibility. If it is nothing more than an "augment" to exist knowledge, then maybe. I just don't believe it often meets that standard. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

 

[Bob H]

He assumed the same in implying I neglected my children.

I assumed no such thing. Whether one takes or not takes their children to SS has nuttin to do with the subject of whether SS is good or bad nor does it change the parent's responsibility in teaching their children.  Maybe your skin is a little to thin to be here 

 

[Bob H]

[quote author=Bob H]It's been my observance that when a father's not bringing his children to church, he's usually neglecting them at home also.

It had been my observation that people who make these kind of statements often have no idea what they are talking about.
[/quote]


That could be. One thing's for sure, when the ballgame is over and when believers stand before their Lord, we'll know for sure. From work and family I have many examples.

 

[Prin.Ciples]

He assumed the same in implying I neglected my children.

I assumed no such thing. Whether one takes or not takes their children to SS has nuttin to do with the subject of whether SS is good or bad nor does it change the parent's responsibility in teaching their children.  Maybe your skin is a little to thin to be here 

You've replaced one assumption with another. My skin is fine. Maybe you should focus on your own skin. I said one thing in reply and you're already claiming I'm thin skinned. What a character.

 

[Bob H]

He assumed the same in implying I neglected my children.

I assumed no such thing. Whether one takes or not takes their children to SS has nuttin to do with the subject of whether SS is good or bad nor does it change the parent's responsibility in teaching their children.  Maybe your skin is a little to thin to be here 

You've replaced one assumption with another. My skin is fine. Maybe you should focus on your own skin. I said one thing in reply and you're already claiming I'm thin skinned. What a character.

Hey man, I put a little smiley face on that last remark. Sarcasm used to acceptable here {on the past forums of this place anyways}. I meant no harm. I'll end it here.

 

[FSSL]

You pretend its not a replacement of the parents. In many ways it is. You have no obligation to teach my children. You're being downright disagreeable. The context and cultural functions expressed and praticed during the giving of Titus 2 has nothing to do with SS. Your seminary training didn't teach to make such associations. You're abandoning your own teachings.

I said "an opportunity." Sunday School can be AN excellent opportunity to put Titus 2 into practice.

If you are in a church other members do have an obligation to teach your children.

About seminary... have you ever translated the book of Titus and studied it exegetically word-for-word?

 

[Ransom]

I was just making the point that the early Church didn't attend SS and they got by just fine.

The "early Church" had an extensive period of catechesis for children or new converts, that lasted years before they were allowed to be baptized or even to participate in services. It was meant to lessen the likelihood of the catechumen falling away. By the fourth century, it was not uncommon for baptism to be delayed until the deathbed.

Are you sure you want to hold up the "early Church" as an ideal?

In any case, the Sunday-school program at my church includes not only children's and adult education, but also baptism, membership, and newcomers' classes for those both new to the faith and new to our community. Sure sounds like the early church to me, apart from the catechesis being held on Sunday mornings when the building is open.

 

[Ransom]

You pretend its not a replacement of the parents.

Christian education is the responsibility of parents. It is also the responsibility of the church, which is why God gave us

the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. (Eph. 4:11-14)

God didn't bestow those gifts so that the apostles, prophets, evangelists, etc. could use them only on their own children, did they? Of course not. They are gifts to the church, for the building up of the church in faith, knowledge, and maturity. And that means that the people so gifted are going to be teaching someone else's children from time to time.

When you say educating children is the responsibility of parents, you set up a false dichotomy.

 

[Prin.Ciples]

I was just making the point that the early Church didn't attend SS and they got by just fine.

The "early Church" had an extensive period of catechesis for children or new converts, that lasted years before they were allowed to be baptized or even to participate in services. It was meant to lessen the likelihood of the catechumen falling away. By the fourth century, it was not uncommon for baptism to be delayed until the deathbed.

Are you sure you want to hold up the "early Church" as an ideal?

I'm not referencing 3rd and 4th century catechesisms as "early church" tradition. I am referencing 1st century Christianity.

In any case, the Sunday-school program at my church includes not only children's and adult education, but also baptism, membership, and newcomers' classes for those both new to the faith and new to our community. Sure sounds like the early church to me, apart from the catechesis being held on Sunday mornings when the building is open.

Can  you provide a first century Christianity witness for you "tradition"? Church governance has steadily grown bigger and bigger since the first century. Church is now a formiable business that resist a return to its roots. Too many people would be out of a job and wages would plummit.

 

[Prin.Ciples]

You pretend its not a replacement of the parents. In many ways it is. You have no obligation to teach my children. You're being downright disagreeable. The context and cultural functions expressed and praticed during the giving of Titus 2 has nothing to do with SS. Your seminary training didn't teach to make such associations. You're abandoning your own teachings.

I said "an opportunity." Sunday School can be AN excellent opportunity to put Titus 2 into practice.

If you are in a church other members do have an obligation to teach your children.

About seminary... have you ever translated the book of Titus and studied it exegetically word-for-word?

No, I have never translated it word for word. I have done my own translation work in Titus. Why do you ask?