When We Fail

Route_70 said:
Recovering IFB said:
Either you are delusional or you are lying...you are embarrassing yourself ... our character as brothers in Christ should have us, at least, treat each other as we were ... I'll note you as a fraud ...
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Are you writing this about Vince or Random?
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He's writing about  himself. "You who judge do the same things."
 
Vince Massi said:
He's writing about  himself. "You who judge do the same things."
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And I dub you a liar! I answer all the questions here asked of me, and I am one here who is not afraid to speak on things that I post on and am not afraid to answer anything that I write about on here Vince.
Sadly, you can not say the same thing.....
 
"And I dub you a liar!"
"You who judge do the same things."

Now, Recovering, I am not authorized by God to sit as a mediator in the conflict between you and Him.  In disobedience to God's commands not to speak evil of the brethren, not to judge, to let nothing be done through strife, let all things be done with charity, etc., you make accusations. And God doesn't like what you say.

God tells us "You who judge do the same things." You don't like what God says.

I'm afraid that you two will have to work out this conflict without my help.
 
Vince Massi said:
He's writing about  himself. "You who judge do the same things."
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Congratulations, Recovering, you've just been swatted with the Whiffle Bat of Vince's Life Verse.
 
James 4:6-7  But He gives us more grace. This is why it says: ?God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.? Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

This passage tells us that submission to God produces humility. There is more than one way to submit to God, and obeying His Word is one of them. Surprisingly, this produces problems with Christians who hold to an unscriptural set of values.

Disciples of Saint Augustine will face verses like "The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men" by saying that it only applies to some men.

When I taught Christian school, the teachers (including me) fouled ourselves up by rejecting Galatians 5:19-21, which clearly showed that many of these parents we were having trouble with were unsaved. The same passage also shows that Peter Ruckman was not a born-again Christian, but some genuine Christians ignore it.

As HAC students, we were trained to ignore entire chapters of Scripture telling us how to use our spiritual gifts.

And we were taught to reject the Biblical doctrine that man-made rules do not improve our flesh, but only build pride in our flesh.
 
Vince Massi said:
James 4:6-7  But He gives us more grace. This is why it says: ?God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.? Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

This passage tells us that submission to God produces humility. There is more than one way to submit to God, and obeying His Word is one of them. Surprisingly, this produces problems with Christians who hold to an unscriptural set of values.

Disciples of Saint Augustine will face verses like "The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men" by saying that it only applies to some men.

When I taught Christian school, the teachers (including me) fouled ourselves up by rejecting Galatians 5:19-21, which clearly showed that many of these parents we were having trouble with were unsaved. The same passage also shows that Peter Ruckman was not a born-again Christian, but some genuine Christians ignore it.

As HAC students, we were trained to ignore entire chapters of Scripture telling us how to use our spiritual gifts.

And we were taught to reject the Biblical doctrine that man-made rules do not improve our flesh, but only build pride in our flesh.
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This looks like to me that Vince has a "mannagawd" complex going. "If yo don't agree with me, you're a scorner". The reason why he won't answer Ransom's questions.....
 
Recovering IFB said:
This looks like to me that Vince has a "mannagawd" complex going. "If yo don't agree with me, you're a scorner". The reason why he won't answer Ransom's questions.....
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Yep, definitely a popish vibe.
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Continuing with the Bible doctrine that submission to God produces humility:

As a new Christian, I was troubled by Proverbs 3:5-6 " Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." My common sense clearly told me that God's methods and instructions would not work. But when I (doubtfully) gave in and did something God's way, it did work.

God would often set up situations in which I was tested to do something God's way when I was convinced it was wrong, and God's way always worked. And God kept leading me, and it produced success.

At Dickinson College, the members of Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship were aghast at this. They told me that God gave me a brain and wanted me to use it. They also vigorously opposed my soul-winning. A Godly professor often helped the Christian students. He told me that I was committing intellectual suicide.

Although they were living for God, none of them produced many results. Submission to God's authority, with His leading and with His Word, produces humility, and humility produces success.
 
Vince Massi said:
At Dickinson College, the members of Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship were aghast at this. They told me that God gave me a brain and wanted me to use it. They also vigorously opposed my soul-winning. A Godly professor often helped the Christian students. He told me that I was committing intellectual suicide.
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I am all for submitting to the proper authorities.

If your abuse of Scripture was in Dickinson College as it is here, Inter-Varsity was right. Your "teachings" are so blatantly sucked out of your thumb and ignore the context. You are quick to find a passage and run with an illustration while ignoring the context.

Why don't you trust the Bible to speak for itself?

Inter-Varsity could "school" anyone of us on soul-winning. Their ability to penetrate the colleges/universities since the early 1940s and have the wide influence today is a remarkable demonstration of God's work! They have outlasted IFB fundamentalism.
 
So, FSSL, are you saying that we should reject God's Word in favor of our common sense?
 
Vince Massi said:
Although they were living for God, none of them produced many results.
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Did they graduate? Considering they were college students, I would consider that both a "result" and a "success."
 
Vince Massi said:
So, FSSL, are you saying that we should reject God's Word in favor of our common sense?
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What I am saying is that some people do not have common sense enough to let the context of the Bible speak for itself.

The abuser of Scripture does not trust God's word.
 
I had not associated Inter Varsity Christian Fellowship's rejection of Proverbs 3:5-6 with their Calvinism. I had considered it a normal college reaction. Besides, I wasn't a Calvinist, and I had problems believing the verse as well.

But St. Augustine forbids you to believe that verse. You are commanded to accept his blend of paganism and Christianity instead of trusting entirely in God's Word.

You might like the concepts that God only loves the elect, only died for some men, only draws some men, only enlightens some men, etc., but you're going to have to deal with Scripture that clearly teaches otherwise. And, if you're a Calvinist, you are required to rely on your own understanding, rather than trust God.
 
See, Vince. That approach no longer works with me. I grew up in a IFB church, IFB college and IFB seminary. I have learned, over the years, that when someone is unable/unwilling to allow their statements to be questioned, they dodge and try to attack an issue that is unrelated.

Yes. I am a Calvinist. That does not excuse you from your abuse of Scripture.
 
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