Why Independant Fundamental Baptist are Stupid

[Green Beret]

Preferred- (perhaps friendly to my position but very objective and balanced)
Ransom
Matthew Ward
Citadel of Truth

Thank you for your confidence, Brother; but, while I do believe I can be objective on any topic of debate, I don't think I can be objective to the character of your opponent. He has proven himself to be dishonest, unethical, and very prone to exaggeration. He has zero credibility with me. I do not trust him as far as I could throw a piano.

While he doubtless couldn't care less about my opinion of him, I really don't think that I would be a good judge on this debate.  I don't expect anything but more of the same from him. He has shown his true colors time and again.

I would suggest letting the forum members as a whole decide the winner. Perhaps limit the voting to Hero members or at the least, Full members. At the conclusion of the debate, simply close the thread and create a poll for a predetermined amount of time.

Thank you for your honesty, brother. I think you are selling yourself short based on what I have read of your postings on this thread but I respect your decision. I also like your suggestion. We will see what Admin and CU think about it. 

 

[christundivided]

As someone who is against a significant amount of what the IFB represents, I thought I'd mention that CU is completely out of line here.

But I'm sure that's just my preference for the IFB speaking.

Come on... you know you're my biggest fan...

 

[christundivided]

I explained myself. It had nothing to do with a lack of courage.

Riiiiiight. You're selling but I'm not buying.

If you can't believe my explanation concerning this..... then go take yourself back to your goats.

You're still selling, and very desperately at that, but I'm still not buying. That sounds like something my younger brother would make up to get out of trouble with mom.

My take is that you are either too ignorant to spell correctly or too proud to admit to a typo. Either way it speaks volumes about who you are.

So...... you're really that different than your brother? I've generally found that brothers tend to be a lot more alike than they are different. I'd say that speaks volumes about who you are.

Either way. God's got the record. A forum participate sent me a PM about the typos and grammar. I left it alone on purpose. I love it when you people criticize such things. I really do. You criticize your enemy for such things but you ignore it in your own kind. This speaks volumes about who you are. 

No, you will be formally defending your premise that Independent Fundamental Baptists are stupid. It has nothing to do with what I find valuable. It has everything to do with your "evidence" that IFBs are stupid. I, of course, will be taking the opposing view.

I'll use said evidence in the formal debate. Its obvious you want to control the subject and I'm not going to let you. I think its a fair topic for a formal debate. We can debate Rhetorical Style in the thread I've already started.

You are already trying to squirm yourself out of the "rhetorical beating" you are going to receive, aren't you. 

I wouldn't doubt you're good at beating a few things. Any past criminal history?

I have no worries concerning the debate.

Ransom and I aren't close by any means and have clashed on a few occasions over the years. I, like you, respect him since he is one of, if not the, most educated among us in regards to debate. He is more than capable of laying aside personal feelings to give an objective decision.

I respect him for not taking any junk off anyone and his overall character. He will not lay aside his animosity toward me. I think he'd tell you the same. 

Aleshanee probably has the closest personal connection with me. She and her dad go way back with me on the old FFF. I'm comfortable that she would give an objective decision in the debate but I wish to be transparent about our friendship.

I have no problems with her judgement. Friendship with you or not.

T-Bone and I go back to the old FFF as well. Since I started out my Army life as a MP, we share some common ground. He is more than acceptable.

I doubt he will participate.... and I feel kinda of bad for drawing him into this. I have great respect for him. More than anyone here. We disagree on the baptist thing...... He still holds some value in the distinction. I would call him a little "b". In generally. I can accept such. I disagree with the choice.... but his focus is "spot on."

I'll accept an overall anonymous forum vote for the "dunce cap" to the loser. I've always had more enemies than friends. I'm not really looking to get a winning vote. I'll just take the value of the argument.

 

[Green Beret]

I'll use said evidence in the formal debate. Its obvious you want to control the subject and I'm not going to let you. I think its a fair topic for a formal debate. We can debate Rhetorical Style in the thread I've already started.

No, you are obfuscating and trying to alter the subject of the debate that you requested. You started the thread. You gave your evidence and now that you have been called to formally debate your premise, you are trying to broaden the scope to give yourself maneuvering room to escape.

I am not trying to control the subject. You created the subject. I accepted your invitation to debate you on your idiotic (and I use that term here in the clinical sense) premise and now you are trying to redefine it. Of course you think your alternative topic is "fair" for a formal debate because it let's you off the hook from your OP.

Tell you what, let's ask the Admin to resolve this. I'll PM him on it.

Question for Admin: "After reading the origin of this proposed debate in the thread "Why Independant (sic) Fundamental Baptist are Stupid", do you think it is appropriate, honest and fair that the subject/title of the debate should be the same as the OP?"

Let's see what he says.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

But I'm sure that's just my preference for the IFB speaking.

We have no preferences in the IFB.  We have MOG-Mandated policies that ensure our dedication to and acceptance by God which is proven by His and his blessings on our life!

preferences....  sheesh.


;D

 

[FSSL]

Question for Admin: "After reading the origin of this proposed debate in the thread "Why Independant (sic) Fundamental Baptist are Stupid", do you think it is appropriate, honest and fair that the subject/title of the debate should be the same as the OP?"

Okay... if y'all want to set this up formally, then here are the ground rules.

1) No judges... we will set up a public poll at the end of the debate. How can anyone really judge this?
2) When Christundivided and Green Beret have composed a 500 word or less defense of their positions, they will pm me a copy of their positions and then post them. I don't want one to have an advantage over the other in comparing their initial post with the other person.
3) I did a coin toss and Green Beret will have the initial response.
4) Each side gets a total of 5 replies
5) After the debate, all are invited to post their critiques.

 

[christundivided]

I accept.

1. Will replies be limited to 500 words or less?

2. Should I expect to defend my use of the word stupid?

 

[FSSL]

I accept.
1. Will replies be limited to 500 words or less?
2. Should I expect to defend my use of the word stupid?

Replies are difficult because of embedded quotes. So, "no," replies can be as long as you deem necessary.

No. There is no need to further defend your use of the word "stupid." Just demonstrate why you believe that is true.

 

[Green Beret]

Question for Admin: "After reading the origin of this proposed debate in the thread "Why Independant (sic) Fundamental Baptist are Stupid", do you think it is appropriate, honest and fair that the subject/title of the debate should be the same as the OP?"

Okay... if y'all want to set this up formally, then here are the ground rules.

1) No judges... we will set up a public poll at the end of the debate. How can anyone really judge this?
2) When Christundivided and Green Beret have composed a 500 word or less defense of their positions, they will pm me a copy of their positions and then post them. I don't want one to have an advantage over the other in comparing their initial post with the other person.
3) I did a coin toss and Green Beret will have the initial response.
4) Each side gets a total of 5 replies
5) After the debate, all are invited to post their critiques.

Sounds reasonable to me. One important question. What will the title/subject of the debate be?

"Why Independent Fundamental Baptist are Stupid" or "Should Independent Fundamental Baptists be Considered Stupid?"

While CU does not have to defend his use of the term stupid, he most certainly has to defend the original premise of his OP which was that IFBs are stupid. After all, it was his challenge...

I tell you what. I'll be glad to have a dedicated debate concerning this subject. The moderator can remove any language you find offensive and I will not say a thing.

You up for it?

...that started the whole thing. I just took him up on it.

 

[christundivided]

I'll be glad to defend my views of IFB. If you want a debate the use of the word stupid to describe those who disobey the Scriptures... I will request a separate debate. I will be glad to do both.

 

[Green Beret]

I'll be glad to defend my views of IFB. If you want a debate the use of the word stupid to describe those who disobey the Scriptures... I will request a separate debate. I will be glad to do both.

I could care less about your "views" (plural) of IFBs. Unlike you, I do not have unlimited time to burn on the FFF. However, I am more than willing to invest the time in accepting your challenge to debate your view stated in your OP that Independent Fundamental Baptist are stupid. You can start with your three original points of evidence and add as many as you want until your heart is content but there is no point in letting you weasel out into broader topics. It was your original post and premise. You issued the challenge to debate you on it. Will you keep your word or are you a lying coward?

You know, the longer this goes on, the more you remind me of Peter Ruckman. You believe you're smarter than everyone else, hold all the answers, spew hate filled rhetoric laced with insults, have a martyr complex and, now it seems, can't keep the vows that you have made.

Yep, Peter Ruckman. That's your new name if you weasel out of this debate.

 

[Sherryh]

Amen!!!

 

[christundivided]

Fine by me FSSL. This was really getting ridiculous.... I just didn't want to use all my words up dealing with defining a rethoricial style.

I agree to the subject and will send my summary once GB agrees.

 

[Green Beret]

Thanks, Admin. I agree. You may fire when you are ready, Gridley.

This was really getting ridiculous.....

"Getting?" What you talkin' about, Willis? This was ridiculous the moment you pressed "post" on the original thread. But, now, we are finally at the point were you have to formally defend that ridiculousness. I look forward to shining some light into your dark.

Minor Caveat: It would seem, based on your posting history, that you have more discretionary time to spend on the FFF than I do. I have not started to prepare my summary statement and it may take some time to finish it as well as to post responses. I request patience since lag, in my case, is not lethargy. 

 

[Vince Massi]

Jim Vineyard was chewing out an ex-Marine staff member for not having something done. The staff member desperately explained all the things he had to do, and that there literally had been no time. Vineyard asked him what he had been doing at two o'clock that morning. When the staff member replied that he had been sleeping, Vineyard chewed him out again.

GB! We expect that statement to be done! On time!

It's okay; I'm just messing with you.

 

[christundivided]

Thanks, Admin. I agree. You may fire when you are ready, Gridley.

This was really getting ridiculous.....

"Getting?" What you talkin' about, Willis? This was ridiculous the moment you pressed "post" on the original thread. But, now, we are finally at the point were you have to formally defend that ridiculousness. I look forward to shining some light into your dark.

Minor Caveat: It would seem, based on your posting history, that you have more discretionary time to spend on the FFF than I do. I have not started to prepare my summary statement and it may take some time to finish it as well as to post responses. I request patience since lag, in my case, is not lethargy.

Take your time. I generally find time for things important to me. I realize you'll need some help. By all means, use your extensive connections to run it by the "best minds" in the IFB business.

 

[christundivided]

Preferred- (perhaps friendly to my position but very objective and balanced)
Ransom
Matthew Ward
Citadel of Truth

Thank you for your confidence, Brother; but, while I do believe I can be objective on any topic of debate, I don't think I can be objective to the character of your opponent. He has proven himself to be dishonest, unethical, and very prone to exaggeration. He has zero credibility with me. I do not trust him as far as I could throw a piano.

At least you'll admit you can't be objective. To be honest. I don't think I've ever meet a IFB that can be "objective" about anything IFB. Your problem isn't with me. Your problem is with the truth. There is no value to be found in being a IFB. None. Nada. Nothing. It really sad what you people find value in.....

 

[Green Beret]

Take you time. I generally find time for things important to me.

Hence, the inordinate amount of time you spend "arguing your point of view" here with "more enemies than friends". Like I said before, you may be mentally ill if this is what you define as "important to you"..

I realize you'll need some help. By all means, use your extensive connections to run it by the "best minds" in the IFB business.

Heh, heh, heh! You are funny! Since I pastor a church full time and help friends in the ITSP world, I have things to do. As to my "extensive connections" in the "IFB business", you are about to receive a rude awakening.

That being said, I should have my summary done by Friday night.

 

[Green Beret]

It really sad what you people find value in.....

You said "you people", again. 

No, "it really sad" (sic) that this is your life.

 

[christundivided]

It really sad what you people find value in.....

You said "you people", again. 

No, "it really sad" (sic) that this is your life.

To be completely accurate. I "wrote".... "you people".

What particularly do you find funny about the term "you people"? Its use is rather common.

I did "fat finger" when I was typing "it really sad". I backspaced and my fingers got out of control. To be honest...... I need to trim my fingernails.