I went to church and a rock concert broke out.

[T-Bone]

Why was God going to put out His wrath and consume the nation of Israel while Moses was receiving the ten commandments?

Because they were worshipping a cow?

It was that ungodly DANCING and CELEBRATING.... when they should have been somber and reflecting upon on just how special the cow was to them!!! You know Jehovah doesn't mind sharing His Glory with a cow. He just doesn't like the rock music.

And don't forget they were using the "devil's" beat from those jungle people!

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Why was God going to put out His wrath and consume the nation of Israel while Moses was receiving the ten commandments?

Because they were worshipping a cow?

Amazing, huh?  And they didn't even have In-n-Out burger back then.

 

[Ransom]

And don't forget they were using the "devil's" beat from those jungle people!

Not long ago I came across a sermon transcript at random on some fundy Baptist church Web site. The preecher was discussing the religious reforms of Josiah, and how he defiled the valley of Topheth, where the child sacrifices to Moloch were carried out. "Topheth" comes from a word meaning "drum," because the pagan priests would beat drums loudly during the sacrifices to drown out the screams of the babies as they were burned alive.

All of which is true, but of course, being a fundy, the preecher had to also point out that the same drum beats are used today in rock music.

I'm not sure how he knew that, but nonetheless I felt a great need to get right with God by burning all my LPs again.

 

[Walt]

Agreed, but "doctrinal truth" was used by T-Bone in his response to how he judges a song as being acceptable or not.

I assume he meant measuring it by what the Scripture teaches, which is objective -- or, at least, far more objective than how it makes one feel.

The problem obviously arises, "Whose doctrinal truth?"

Take for instance that great old hymn of the faith, "The Battle Hymn of the Republic." If you read the words you will note it is an anthem to Post Millennialism. Now, if you are Post Mil that song will be, in your opinion, "doctrinal truth." If, however, you are Pre or A Mil, not so much.

And this issue is not exclusive to traditional hymns. The same thing could be said of the CCM favorite, "Build Your Kingdom Here." It also appeals to the "doctrinal truth" of Post Millennialism.

Therefore, "doctrinal truth" is also subjective, depending on what you think "doctrinal truth" consists of.

Possibly, but it's not in the same category: there is no question that the songs you mention are teaching post-millenialism; that appears to be objective.  Also, it is objective as to whether or not it agrees with a church's teaching regarding post-millenialism.

Whether or not one believes that the Bible teaches post-millenialism is up to that person and, I suppose, could be called "subjective", but that's not the issue.

 

[FSSL]

And don't forget they were using the "devil's" beat from those jungle people!

The 2nd and 4th beat!

 

[subllibrm]

And don't forget they were using the "devil's" beat from those jungle people!

The 2nd and 4th beat!

That is why waltz music is okay because it won't lead to dancing.

Hey, wait a minute.  ???

 

[T-Bone]

And don't forget they were using the "devil's" beat from those jungle people!

Not long ago I came across a sermon transcript at random on some fundy Baptist church Web site. The preecher was discussing the religious reforms of Josiah, and how he defiled the valley of Topheth, where the child sacrifices to Moloch were carried out. "Topheth" comes from a word meaning "drum," because the pagan priests would beat drums loudly during the sacrifices to drown out the screams of the babies as they were burned alive.

All of which is true, but of course, being a fundy, the preecher had to also point out that the same drum beats are used today in rock music.

I'm not sure how he knew that, but nonetheless I felt a great need to get right with God by burning all my LPs again.

 

I have always wondered what beat count belongs to the devil...and how does anyone know?

 

[T-Bone]

And don't forget they were using the "devil's" beat from those jungle people!

The 2nd and 4th beat!

I thought it was the 1st and 3rd beat...see how confusing all this musicology becomes!

 

[FSSL]

1 and 3 are the "on beats." They are sacred beats.

2 and 4 are the "off beats." Those are of the jungle devil music. All rock and roll music emphasizes the 2nd and 4th. BJU music faculty and Frank Garlock say so.

 

[FSSL]

I learned about "The Eagles" at a music seminar in a church in Wisconsin. The music evangelist played "Hotel California." I have loved their music ever since!

 

[Ransom]

1 and 3 are the "on beats." They are sacred beats.

Which is why listening to James Brown is divinely approved.

 

[T-Bone]

1 and 3 are the "on beats." They are sacred beats.

2 and 4 are the "off beats." Those are of the jungle devil music. All rock and roll music emphasizes the 2nd and 4th. BJU music faculty and Frank Garlock say so.

Man I am glad you cleared that up...I am going to talk to our drummer before Sunday's service!  That was a close one!

 

[FSSL]

Man I am glad you cleared that up...I am going to talk to our drummer before Sunday's service!  That was a close one!

Don't you mean your percussionist and percussion ensemble?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

1 and 3 are the "on beats." They are sacred beats.

2 and 4 are the "off beats." Those are of the jungle devil music. All rock and roll music emphasizes the 2nd and 4th. BJU music faculty and Frank Garlock say so.

I prefer the terms downbeats and upbeats.

 

[T-Bone]

Man I am glad you cleared that up...I am going to talk to our drummer before Sunday's service!  That was a close one!

Don't you mean your percussionist and percussion ensemble?

Oh yeah...actually my percussion worship section! 

 

[T-Bone]

1 and 3 are the "on beats." They are sacred beats.

2 and 4 are the "off beats." Those are of the jungle devil music. All rock and roll music emphasizes the 2nd and 4th. BJU music faculty and Frank Garlock say so.

I prefer the terms downbeats and upbeats.

And don't forget deadbeats!

 

[subllibrm]

Man I am glad you cleared that up...I am going to talk to our drummer before Sunday's service!  That was a close one!

Don't you mean your percussionist and percussion ensemble?

That is the real issue. You have allowed percussing into the church.

 

[subllibrm]

1 and 3 are the "on beats." They are sacred beats.

2 and 4 are the "off beats." Those are of the jungle devil music. All rock and roll music emphasizes the 2nd and 4th. BJU music faculty and Frank Garlock say so.

I prefer the terms downbeats and upbeats.

I would say that overall you are a pretty upbeat guy!

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Why was God going to pour out His wrath and consume the nation of Israel while Moses was receiving the ten commandments?

No correct answers yet.  Here is a hint:  read Exodis 32:5

 

[subllibrm]

Why was God going to pour out His wrath and consume the nation of Israel while Moses was receiving the ten commandments?

No correct answers yet.  Here is a hint:  read Exodus 32:5

Yes? What part of they worshiped a golden calf rather than (in place of) the true God did we get wrong?