Jack Hyles and Dave Hyles

[subllibrm]

I agree 100% with your post, but you have forgotten that there are 1000s of people that were affected by FBCH/HAC serving God all over the world.  They are following the Great Commission.  Let's not think for a minute that everything and everyone from FBCH/HAC have failed.

But within this post you betray the main error of the mentality. If a ministry is succeeding it is because God is working. Not because of the brilliant plans and unmatched efforts of the minster. Giving a man or institution credit for that which only God can do is the problem. Even worse is the man who will accept the credit.

The question was where is the humility?

 

[subllibrm]

So at this point it would be OUR responsibility to tell others of what they may not know before they make a decision to go, wherever that may be.

Scorner.

Actually, you mean DOEG!!!!
















;D

 

[rsc2a]

I don't even know what that means.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I don't even know what that means.

Read I Samuel 21 & 22. 

 

[RAIDER]

I agree 100% with your post, but you have forgotten that there are 1000s of people that were affected by FBCH/HAC serving God all over the world.  They are following the Great Commission.  Let's not think for a minute that everything and everyone from FBCH/HAC have failed.

But within this post you betray the main error of the mentality. If a ministry is succeeding it is because God is working. Not because of the brilliant plans and unmatched efforts of the minster. Giving a man or institution credit for that which only God can do is the problem. Even worse is the man who will accept the credit.

The question was where is the humility?

I agree that if a ministry is succeeding for Christ it is God working.  This does not discount the fact that the place of ones training helps point the direction.  Because there are 1000s that attended HAC/FBCH serving Christ today does not mean they are proud.  There are many humble servants.

 

[IFB X-Files]

There are many humble servants.

And the rest are like RAIDER.  Constantly posting for the numbers (Hey! It is all about the numbers, right?).

 

[RAIDER]

There are many humble servants.

And the rest are like RAIDER.  Constantly posting for the numbers (Hey! It is all about the numbers, right?).

Hey, the only thing I hate more than great numbers are not getting great numbers!

 

[subllibrm]

I agree 100% with your post, but you have forgotten that there are 1000s of people that were affected by FBCH/HAC serving God all over the world.  They are following the Great Commission.  Let's not think for a minute that everything and everyone from FBCH/HAC have failed.

But within this post you betray the main error of the mentality. If a ministry is succeeding it is because God is working. Not because of the brilliant plans and unmatched efforts of the minster. Giving a man or institution credit for that which only God can do is the problem. Even worse is the man who will accept the credit.

The question was where is the humility?

I agree that if a ministry is succeeding for Christ it is God working.  This does not discount the fact that the place of ones training helps point the direction.  Because there are 1000s that attended HAC/FBCH serving Christ today does not mean they are proud.  There are many humble servants.

How many of those "humble" servants have statues? And buildings named after them? And get to call themselves "Doctor". Oh that's right, Dr. T.H.E. Greatleader gets credit for all those humble servants he trained too.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I agree 100% with your post, but you have forgotten that there are 1000s of people that were affected by FBCH/HAC serving God all over the world.  They are following the Great Commission.  Let's not think for a minute that everything and everyone from FBCH/HAC have failed.

But within this post you betray the main error of the mentality. If a ministry is succeeding it is because God is working. Not because of the brilliant plans and unmatched efforts of the minster. Giving a man or institution credit for that which only God can do is the problem. Even worse is the man who will accept the credit.

The question was where is the humility?

I agree that if a ministry is succeeding for Christ it is God working.  This does not discount the fact that the place of ones training helps point the direction.  Because there are 1000s that attended HAC/FBCH serving Christ today does not mean they are proud.  There are many humble servants.

How many of those "humble" servants have statues? And buildings named after them? And get to call themselves "Doctor". Oh that's right, Dr. T.H.E. Greatleader gets credit for all those humble servants he trained too.

Silly you. Dwight, the founder of Moody Bible Institute didn't go to HAC.

 

[RAIDER]

I agree that if a ministry is succeeding for Christ it is God working.  This does not discount the fact that the place of ones training helps point the direction.  Because there are 1000s that attended HAC/FBCH serving Christ today does not mean they are proud.  There are many humble servants.

How many of those "humble" servants have statues? And buildings named after them? And get to call themselves "Doctor". Oh that's right, Dr. T.H.E. Greatleader gets credit for all those humble servants he trained too.

Step away from the Binaca bottle.  People were ripping on HAC/FBCH.  They have some valid points as well as some really "out there" criticisms.  I was making a point that there are many people who attended HAC/FBCH who are serving the Lord today.  Why is that so hard to realize?  I have friends (some who post on here) who are humbly serving as pastors, assistant pastors, Christian school teachers, missionaries, etc.

The best you can do is to ask if they have statues erected or buildings named after them or they have an honorary doctorate?

 

[rsc2a]

I was making a point that there are many people who attended HAC/FBCH who are serving the Lord today.  Why is that so hard to realize?  I have friends (some who post on here) who are humbly serving as pastors, assistant pastors, Christian school teachers, missionaries, etc.

One problem with the HACer mentality...

...what about the ones serving as plumbers, janitors, public school teachers, mechanics...

...servants of Jesus can be found in all walks of life, and "secular" vocations are no less holy because they don't involve a religious building.

 

[RAIDER]

I was making a point that there are many people who attended HAC/FBCH who are serving the Lord today.  Why is that so hard to realize?  I have friends (some who post on here) who are humbly serving as pastors, assistant pastors, Christian school teachers, missionaries, etc.

One problem with the HACer mentality...

...what about the ones serving as plumbers, janitors, public school teachers, mechanics...

...servants of Jesus can be found in all walks of life, and "secular" vocations are no less holy because they don't involve a religious building.

The problem with you is that you are a scorner and a critic all rolled up into one.  You take most posts and turn them into something you can criticize.  Once again you have done it!

I am one of those who serve as a layman.  I do not feel less holy because of it.  Here, let me re-do my original post:

I was making a point that there are many people who attended HAC/FBCH who are serving the Lord today.  Why is that so hard to realize?  I have friends (some who post on here) who are humbly serving as pastors, assistant pastors, Christian school teachers, missionaries, etc.  I also have friends who are plumbers, janitors, public school teachers, and mechanics who are serving God in great ways.

Is that better, you worthless hunk of Spam?!!

 

[rsc2a]

What you have been taught can be read in what you post. And you have clearly been taught that pastors and missionaries have some higher calling than mere men.

It might be something you would ever explicitly say, but that understanding shapes how you look at life.

 

[RAIDER]

What you have been taught can be read in what you post. And you have clearly been taught that pastors and missionaries have some higher calling than mere men.

It might be something you would ever explicitly say, but that understanding shapes how you look at life.

You are incorrect.  HAC is a college to train young people to be full-time pastors, missionaries, etc.  That is the only reason I mentioned it.

Do you have the same attitude toward your wife, kids, friends, and fellow employees as you do toward those on the FFF.  I can't imagine that you turn it on and off.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=RAIDER]You are incorrect.  HAC is a college to train young people to be full-time pastors, missionaries, etc.  That is the only reason I mentioned it. [/quote]

I specifically checked before I wrote that statement...you included FBCH in your statement.

But I get it, when you have been taught that pastors are greater than mere mortals, it's hard to deprogram.

Do you have the same attitude toward your wife, kids, friends, and fellow employees as you do toward those on the FFF.  I can't imagine that you turn it on and off.

I get along with them well Thanks fur the concern.

 

[RAIDER]

I get along with them well Thanks fur the concern.

Wow!  You can turn it off and on.

 

[Matthew1323]

I agree 100% with your post, but you have forgotten that there are 1000s of people that were affected by FBCH/HAC serving God all over the world.  They are following the Great Commission.  Let's not think for a minute that everything and everyone from FBCH/HAC have failed.

But within this post you betray the main error of the mentality. If a ministry is succeeding it is because God is working. Not because of the brilliant plans and unmatched efforts of the minster. Giving a man or institution credit for that which only God can do is the problem. Even worse is the man who will accept the credit.

The question was where is the humility?

Great observations and question,

 

[Walt]

It felt so (want to swear here for emphasis but will refrain) important to be here doing what we were doing...

I believe the word you are searching for here, according to SwampHag and BC, is "flippin."

We're all going to interpret things differently. We're all going to take home a different message despite having heard the same message, for we hear and understand it through the pathway of our intellect, our experience, our desires, our motivations, our perceptions, etc.

I think we all heard the same message and pretty much had the same interpretation. I agree there is a personal responsibility component to all of it.

Nailed it!  This is exactly the message I got at a church run by a Hyles disciple.  The "heroes" were the ones who spent all their time and energy on ministry stuff.

 

[Bruh]

I believe that pastors forget that we the laymen volunteer our time whereas they are getting paid.

I'm not against them getting paid but often they want us to give up our Saturday's or a portion of it when they get an entire day off some time during the week. Or want us to stay up really late during the week for special services when we gotta get up at 5 6 o'clock in the morning for work and get the kids ready while they are still asleep.

I have no problem serving and sacrificing time or whatever but don't hold it against us if we want a break or make a different time readily available to go during the week so we can have our Saturday's.

 

[Walt]

And this is what I have "preached" on the FFF since my first day of posting.  As we look back, the place was not all good, but it was not all bad.  The problem is that some do not want to hear any of the good.  If you stand up for something good you are labeled a "koolaid" drinker. 

God can bring good out of any bad situation. While I know that good people attended HAC, and good people came out of there, and that people were helped, it does not mitigate or excuse all of the bad that they stood for.

Saul is usually considered a bad, evil king, but during his rule (especially in the early days), he did some good.  But it doesn't change the perception of Saul.