Jeremy Whitman Lancaster Baptist Church Does anyone know anything about this?

[Binaca Chugger]

As wtyson said, "There is no evidence or proof ... only innuendo."  Virtually everything negative said on this site is unsupported.  Unloving people with attitudes of spite & sarcasm.  Disgruntled former LBC members or unhappy past WCBC students.  Those who had a bad experience in another IFB church & now they can only see all IFB churches through those tainted lenses.

Don't forget those people who had been victimized by criminals that have been put in jail because of their abuse.  There are also those of us who were victimized who will never see their perpetrators brought to justice for the wrong they have done due to a powerful, manipulative fear and political influence.  You see, it is not just disgruntled, it is people who were legally victimized.  Understanding that the statute of limitations has expired, or, choosing to forgive without confrontation, some here have chosen to allow the perpetrators to die in the terror of their lies rather than encouraging the perpetrators to find peace through repentance.  There are many here who currently are IFB, I am one.  I took off my rose-colored glasses some years ago and no longer see the movement through tainted lenses.

A lot of, "I know things ..." without saying specifically WHAT you know.  And "I know someone who was ..." But like the "telephone game" of childhood, the last retelling bears little or no resemblance to the first.  No one is offering dates/times of actual wrongdoing.  There are no multiple witnesses in agreement (II Cor. 13:1 & Mark 14:55-59).  No pictures, no transcripts of meetings, no recordings & no police reports.  Not a single, solitary shred of evidence that would bear the inquiry of a person who seeks only the Truth, much less anything that would stand up in a court of law.

Right.  There is not enough evidence to stand up in court.  Doesn't mean it didn't happen.  I pegged JS as an abusive, girl crazy egomaniac when I first heard him preach at HBGS when I was in 6th grade.  I, of course, didn't use those words, but I knew something was up.  Took roughly 3 decades for proof to come to light.  You are essentially quoting the Jack Hyles motto for stories of abuse (just in case you were wondering).  This tactic only gets more people hurt. 

All I have seen are a bunch of people, cloaked with the anonymity afforded them by the internet, who are free to say anything their personal prejudices or desires lead them to say, with no accountability whatsoever.

Choose to see it however you want.  Ninevah didn't believe Nahum either.

Nothing said has been supported by tangible, irrefutable fact.  Hearsay, conjecture, gossip, and a desire to tear down an IFB pastor simply because he IS an IFB pastor.  Your bias is screaming, it's so virulent and so mean-spirited.

Or maybe we are simply warning.  Maybe the bridge is fine.  Maybe there is nothing wrong.  Maybe PC is everything he tells everyone he is.  In a way, I hope he is just as wonderful of a pastor as he pretends to be on the internet.  Or, maybe something is wrong.  Maybe there is a reason that his first reaction to the new was to lie.  We are just encouraging people there to think for themselves.

As a pastor myself, it reminds me of three things:

#1.  It doesn't have to be true to damage my reputation & that of my church.

#2.  My reputation & that of my church belong to God & He is more than able to uphold us.

#3.  Matthew 5:10-12 and John 15:20-21.  I'm sure Brother Paul & the staff at LBC are resting in these passages and I, for one, will pray that the Lord will "keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee, because he trusteth in Thee".  Isaiah 26:3

You are right, accusation does not have to be true to damage a reputation.  That is why we are admonished to live above reproach.  If someone accused you and your church of impropriety, hopefully you would be able to easily refute the accusation by providing open books and complete honesty.  However, if your church treasurer had just been arrested for embezzlement at a non-church related workplace and the media approached you to discover your first response was to deny his involvement at your church - there would be plenty of questions for you.  However, if you immediately acknowledged the relationship and offered for an audit, you would be well thought of in your community.  Get the picture?

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

As wtyson said, "There is no evidence or proof ... only innuendo."  Virtually everything negative said on this site is unsupported.  Unloving people with attitudes of spite & sarcasm.  Disgruntled former LBC members or unhappy past WCBC students.  Those who had a bad experience in another IFB church & now they can only see all IFB churches through those tainted lenses.

A lot of, "I know things ..." without saying specifically WHAT you know.  And "I know someone who was ..." But like the "telephone game" of childhood, the last retelling bears little or no resemblance to the first.  No one is offering dates/times of actual wrongdoing.  There are no multiple witnesses in agreement (II Cor. 13:1 & Mark 14:55-59).  No pictures, no transcripts of meetings, no recordings & no police reports.  Not a single, solitary shred of evidence that would bear the inquiry of a person who seeks only the Truth, much less anything that would stand up in a court of law.

All I have seen are a bunch of people, cloaked with the anonymity afforded them by the internet, who are free to say anything their personal prejudices or desires lead them to say, with no accountability whatsoever.

Nothing said has been supported by tangible, irrefutable fact.  Hearsay, conjecture, gossip, and a desire to tear down an IFB pastor simply because he IS an IFB pastor.  Your bias is screaming, it's so virulent and so mean-spirited.

As a pastor myself, it reminds me of three things:

#1.  It doesn't have to be true to damage my reputation & that of my church.

#2.  My reputation & that of my church belong to God & He is more than able to uphold us.

#3.  Matthew 5:10-12 and John 15:20-21.  I'm sure Brother Paul & the staff at LBC are resting in these passages and I, for one, will pray that the Lord will "keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee, because he trusteth in Thee".  Isaiah 26:3

Your guy lies to the press, but you turn a blind eye to all that and call those who question him spiteful, unloving, disgruntled, mean-spirited, etc.

And you dare call us biased?  Really?

 

[nib1066]

As wtyson said, "There is no evidence or proof ... only innuendo."  Virtually everything negative said on this site is unsupported.  Unloving people with attitudes of spite & sarcasm.  Disgruntled former LBC members or unhappy past WCBC students.  Those who had a bad experience in another IFB church & now they can only see all IFB churches through those tainted lenses.

A lot of, "I know things ..." without saying specifically WHAT you know.  And "I know someone who was ..." But like the "telephone game" of childhood, the last retelling bears little or no resemblance to the first.  No one is offering dates/times of actual wrongdoing.  There are no multiple witnesses in agreement (II Cor. 13:1 & Mark 14:55-59).  No pictures, no transcripts of meetings, no recordings & no police reports.  Not a single, solitary shred of evidence that would bear the inquiry of a person who seeks only the Truth, much less anything that would stand up in a court of law.

All I have seen are a bunch of people, cloaked with the anonymity afforded them by the internet, who are free to say anything their personal prejudices or desires lead them to say, with no accountability whatsoever.

Nothing said has been supported by tangible, irrefutable fact.  Hearsay, conjecture, gossip, and a desire to tear down an IFB pastor simply because he IS an IFB pastor.  Your bias is screaming, it's so virulent and so mean-spirited.

As a pastor myself, it reminds me of three things:

#1.  It doesn't have to be true to damage my reputation & that of my church.

#2.  My reputation & that of my church belong to God & He is more than able to uphold us.

#3.  Matthew 5:10-12 and John 15:20-21.  I'm sure Brother Paul & the staff at LBC are resting in these passages and I, for one, will pray that the Lord will "keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee, because he trusteth in Thee".  Isaiah 26:3

Ok, let’s talk about facts. Does Paul Chappell use the title of “Dr.” on much of his printed materials and the like? Yes he does. Did Paul Chappell complete the classwork for this degree? No he did not. Did he write and defend a doctoral dissertation to earn said title? No he did not. So if he is dishonest about using a title he did not earn, what else is he lying about? Case closed!

 

[Mathew Ward]

As wtyson said, "There is no evidence or proof ... only innuendo."  Virtually everything negative said on this site is unsupported.  Unloving people with attitudes of spite & sarcasm.  Disgruntled former LBC members or unhappy past WCBC students.  Those who had a bad experience in another IFB church & now they can only see all IFB churches through those tainted lenses.

A lot of, "I know things ..." without saying specifically WHAT you know.  And "I know someone who was ..." But like the "telephone game" of childhood, the last retelling bears little or no resemblance to the first.  No one is offering dates/times of actual wrongdoing.  There are no multiple witnesses in agreement (II Cor. 13:1 & Mark 14:55-59).  No pictures, no transcripts of meetings, no recordings & no police reports.  Not a single, solitary shred of evidence that would bear the inquiry of a person who seeks only the Truth, much less anything that would stand up in a court of law.

All I have seen are a bunch of people, cloaked with the anonymity afforded them by the internet, who are free to say anything their personal prejudices or desires lead them to say, with no accountability whatsoever.

Nothing said has been supported by tangible, irrefutable fact.  Hearsay, conjecture, gossip, and a desire to tear down an IFB pastor simply because he IS an IFB pastor.  Your bias is screaming, it's so virulent and so mean-spirited.

As a pastor myself, it reminds me of three things:

#1.  It doesn't have to be true to damage my reputation & that of my church.

#2.  My reputation & that of my church belong to God & He is more than able to uphold us.

#3.  Matthew 5:10-12 and John 15:20-21.  I'm sure Brother Paul & the staff at LBC are resting in these passages and I, for one, will pray that the Lord will "keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee, because he trusteth in Thee".  Isaiah 26:3

Your guy lies to the press, but you turn a blind eye to all that and call those who question him spiteful, unloving, disgruntled, mean-spirited, etc.

And you dare call us biased?  Really?

You know the playbook, those without blind loyalty to the Man of God and His church must obviously be unloving, spiteful, disgruntled, mean-spirited, liberal out of God's will has-been Christians who will never do anything for God.

As Jack Hyles said, if you didn't see it it didn't happen. 

 

[qwerty]

Ok, let’s talk about facts. Does Paul Chappell use the title of “Dr.” on much of his printed materials and the like? Yes he does. Did Paul Chappell complete the classwork for this degree? No he did not. Did he write and defend a doctoral dissertation to earn said title? No he did not. So if he is dishonest about using a title he did not earn, what else is he lying about? Case closed!

Well, that's definitive proof :

 

[nib1066]

Well, that's definitive proof :

It is certainly proof of everything I have ever claimed :

 

[wtyson]

As wtyson said, "There is no evidence or proof ... only innuendo."  Virtually everything negative said on this site is unsupported.  Unloving people with attitudes of spite & sarcasm.  Disgruntled former LBC members or unhappy past WCBC students.  Those who had a bad experience in another IFB church & now they can only see all IFB churches through those tainted lenses.

A lot of, "I know things ..." without saying specifically WHAT you know.  And "I know someone who was ..." But like the "telephone game" of childhood, the last retelling bears little or no resemblance to the first.  No one is offering dates/times of actual wrongdoing.  There are no multiple witnesses in agreement (II Cor. 13:1 & Mark 14:55-59).  No pictures, no transcripts of meetings, no recordings & no police reports.  Not a single, solitary shred of evidence that would bear the inquiry of a person who seeks only the Truth, much less anything that would stand up in a court of law.

All I have seen are a bunch of people, cloaked with the anonymity afforded them by the internet, who are free to say anything their personal prejudices or desires lead them to say, with no accountability whatsoever.

Nothing said has been supported by tangible, irrefutable fact.  Hearsay, conjecture, gossip, and a desire to tear down an IFB pastor simply because he IS an IFB pastor.  Your bias is screaming, it's so virulent and so mean-spirited.

As a pastor myself, it reminds me of three things:

#1.  It doesn't have to be true to damage my reputation & that of my church.

#2.  My reputation & that of my church belong to God & He is more than able to uphold us.

#3.  Matthew 5:10-12 and John 15:20-21.  I'm sure Brother Paul & the staff at LBC are resting in these passages and I, for one, will pray that the Lord will "keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee, because he trusteth in Thee".  Isaiah 26:3

Ok, let’s talk about facts. Does Paul Chappell use the title of “Dr.” on much of his printed materials and the like? Yes he does. Did Paul Chappell complete the classwork for this degree? No he did not. Did he write and defend a doctoral dissertation to earn said title? No he did not. So if he is dishonest about using a title he did not earn, what else is he lying about? Case closed!

My friend...quite a petty and un-Christlike post. I am not a PC apologists but the nastiness of this thread and the innuendo is very sad. Instead of focusing our time and effort on praying for the two families many here have used this horrible event as another way to attack a fellow believer and to further a anti-IFB agenda. I find that very sad.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Well I can not speak for other church owned colleges, but for FBCH-HAC here is how it worked since the 70s.

A pastor would recommend HAC to his members.

Members would come to HAC and pay thousands of dollars in tuition.

When the number reached some where around 50 that pastor would be up for a DD.

Were they earned?

No.

They were paid for in advance.

Quid pro quo?  Yes. Understood, but not advertised.

Did the pastor pay?

No, absolutely not.

His members paid the price for it, he got it free of charge. Bonus.

We have even given a DD to a women preacher as well as a horse.

DDs are a joke.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Again, I ask; is their proof that Chappell or the church has done something to cause this or know about something criminal they are covering up?

I'm not familiar at all with what is or has transpired in this sad situation.
I've not been able to find anything sinister involving the church...which doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but does anyone know of any evidence of such?

I meant proof about Chappell or LBC doing something to cause one young man to kill another or suppressing evidence about the same. NOT Hyles, Schapp or any other IFB church or ministry.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.....

 

[ALAYMAN]

Again, I ask; is their proof that Chappell or the church has done something to cause this or know about something criminal they are covering up?

I'm not familiar at all with what is or has transpired in this sad situation.
I've not been able to find anything sinister involving the church...which doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but does anyone know of any evidence of such?

I meant proof about Chappell or LBC doing something to cause one young man to kill another or suppressing evidence about the same. NOT Hyles, Schapp or any other IFB church or ministry.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.....

You were clear enough, but the elephant in the room still won't get any attention from the haters. 

Oh, and I pretty much agree with WTyson and bro. Payne.

 

[prophet]

As wtyson said, "There is no evidence or proof ... only innuendo."  Virtually everything negative said on this site is unsupported.  Unloving people with attitudes of spite & sarcasm.  Disgruntled former LBC members or unhappy past WCBC students.  Those who had a bad experience in another IFB church & now they can only see all IFB churches through those tainted lenses.

A lot of, "I know things ..." without saying specifically WHAT you know.  And "I know someone who was ..." But like the "telephone game" of childhood, the last retelling bears little or no resemblance to the first.  No one is offering dates/times of actual wrongdoing.  There are no multiple witnesses in agreement (II Cor. 13:1 & Mark 14:55-59).  No pictures, no transcripts of meetings, no recordings & no police reports.  Not a single, solitary shred of evidence that would bear the inquiry of a person who seeks only the Truth, much less anything that would stand up in a court of law.

All I have seen are a bunch of people, cloaked with the anonymity afforded them by the internet, who are free to say anything their personal prejudices or desires lead them to say, with no accountability whatsoever.

Nothing said has been supported by tangible, irrefutable fact.  Hearsay, conjecture, gossip, and a desire to tear down an IFB pastor simply because he IS an IFB pastor.  Your bias is screaming, it's so virulent and so mean-spirited.

As a pastor myself, it reminds me of three things:

#1.  It doesn't have to be true to damage my reputation & that of my church.

#2.  My reputation & that of my church belong to God & He is more than able to uphold us.

#3.  Matthew 5:10-12 and John 15:20-21.  I'm sure Brother Paul & the staff at LBC are resting in these passages and I, for one, will pray that the Lord will "keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee, because he trusteth in Thee".  Isaiah 26:3

When you say "pastor", do you mean one of the elders in your church, with a certain bishoprick?  Or do you think that you are the leader over everyone in your church?

Anishinaabe

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

Stuff Fundies Like has featured this story today, along with other major scandals involving Gothard and Bob Jones University.

http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2014/02/friday-news-roundup/

 

[Roy Payne]

"Nib" makes claims (again, anonymously) with no proof (again, lacking any evidence that will withstand unbiased scrutiny).

Others go back to the poisoned well (again & again & again) "It happened in such-and-such church!!", ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

I don't care what happened to Schaap or Hyles or Nahum, for that matter.  Paul Chappell is not ANY of those men and for you to paint him with the same broad, filth-stained brush is evil, plain & simple.

The "elephant in the room" exists only in your past, a past you delight in returning to (Prov. 26:11).  Or perhaps in your imagination where you insist on seeing something which is not real (Prov. 6:18 & II Cor. 10:5).

I plead with you, leave your past in the past.  Get it under the Blood.  Forgive that you may be forgiven.  For you to keep living in your broken condition when you could be emotionally & physically healed is the height of self-loathing.  We all have hurts & heartaches in our past, but healthy Christians refuse to be bound by those things.  We confess our sins.  We forgive those who have sinned against us.  We move forward in a life of obedience to God & love for our fellow believers in Christ.  We grow in grace & in the knowledge of our Lord !!

To do anything else results in a twisted & stunted existence (I dare not call it "life"), something akin to a parasite, drawing whatever strength that may be sucked from the healthy host, i.e. the strong & obedient Christian.

In closing, if I may share a personal memory:  My father, my mother & I were walking across the parking lot after my paternal grandfather's funeral.  Without going into all the sordid details, I will just say that he was a vindictive, bitter, unloving & unloved old man.  As we walked to our cars, my mother said, "I will NEVER forgive that man."  To which I quietly replied, "Mom, he's dead.  Who is your unforgiving heart & bitter spirit going to hurt now?"  As with many on this site, only herself.

Hebrews 12:14-15  "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled"

These pages are filled with bitterness & it must be uprooted.  It won't be easy & it may take time, but it can be done by God's grace and it will result in "the peaceable fruit of righteousness".

II Timothy 2:16-17  "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker"

"profane and vain babblings"?  I can't think of a better more succinct description of what's been said on here (with a few exceptions of several who genuinely desire to obey Scripture).  And like with my dear old mother, who is it hurting?  Certainly not Lancaster Baptist Church.  This tragedy sparked a tenderness in the hearts of many and, coming as it did, just a week before Winter Revival, resulted in perhaps an even greater repentance among members than might otherwise have been (Isaiah 61:3 "beauty for ashes").  Will it harm Brother Chappell's ministry?  If anything, the way he has handled this tragedy has increased his stature in the eyes of those who rightly love & respect him as their shepherd (it certainly has for me).

Philippians 4:8  "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

This verse should serve as a rebuke to the naysayers & those who are casting verbal stones.  Much/most of what's been written in this discussion is the antithesis of what the Holy Spirit is commanding us to be thinking about.  It's a perfect example of how NOT to think !!

I'll end by saying that I believe with all my heart that God would be most pleased by having this be the last post on this topic.  That everyone should agree that what's done is done & no amount of hashing & rehashing it will change what has happened, nor will it bring peace & healing to any of us.  It won't even satisfy our curiosity as we share our collective ignorance.  In fact, all it can do is nurture our misguided hearts as we cast unfounded aspersions on a great church and a godly pastor.

Philippians 3:13-14  "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."

If this is our goal & deepest desire (as it should be for every born again child of God), then I believe we will end this unprofitable debate.

Sincerely In Christ,
Pastor Roy Payne

 

[nib1066]

"Nib" makes claims (again, anonymously) with no proof (again, lacking any evidence that will withstand unbiased scrutiny).

Hi “Pastor,”

I made the claim against PC that he is both a deceiver and a charlatan. The dictionary defines charlatan as, “a person who pretends or claims to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses.” Then I revealed the truth that PC uses the title Doctor even though he has never earned said title. What more proof do you need of the fact that PC is indeed a liar and a charlatan?

Honestly, you as a pastor should be most offended by his deception. Are not truth and honesty things that you consider to be high Christian principles? How do you explain your defense of such a person that would base much of his public persona on a lie? Did not Christ Himself demand that we hold the to the truth as a high ideal?

My name is Nathan BTW. WCBC class of 1999.

 

[ALAYMAN]

"Nib" makes claims (again, anonymously) with no proof (again, lacking any evidence that will withstand unbiased scrutiny).

Hi “Pastor,”

I made the claim against PC that he is both a deceiver and a charlatan. The dictionary defines charlatan as, “a person who pretends or claims to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses.” Then I revealed the truth that PC uses the title Doctor even though he has never earned said title. What more proof do you need of the fact that PC is indeed a liar and a charlatan?

Honestly, you as a pastor should be most offended by his deception. Are not truth and honesty things that you consider to be high Christian principles? How do you explain your defense of such a person that would base much of his public persona on a lie? Did not Christ Himself demand that we hold the to the truth as a high ideal?

My name is Nathan BTW. WCBC class of 1999.

The elephant in the room that y'all keep avoiding is the question Tarheel keeps asking.  What does Chappell have to do with causing this murder-suicide.  I've seen lots of innuendo and gossip, just no evidence.

 

[prophet]

"Nib" makes claims (again, anonymously) with no proof (again, lacking any evidence that will withstand unbiased scrutiny).

Hi “Pastor,”

I made the claim against PC that he is both a deceiver and a charlatan. The dictionary defines charlatan as, “a person who pretends or claims to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses.” Then I revealed the truth that PC uses the title Doctor even though he has never earned said title. What more proof do you need of the fact that PC is indeed a liar and a charlatan?

Honestly, you as a pastor should be most offended by his deception. Are not truth and honesty things that you consider to be high Christian principles? How do you explain your defense of such a person that would base much of his public persona on a lie? Did not Christ Himself demand that we hold the to the truth as a high ideal?

My name is Nathan BTW. WCBC class of 1999.

The elephant in the room that y'all keep avoiding is the question Tarheel keeps asking.  What does Chappell have to do with causing this murder-suicide.  I've seen lots of innuendo and gossip, just no evidence.

It's being ignored, because it isn't the issue at hand.

The issue is PC putting out disinformation to the press, while the ink has yet to cool on his new tome imploring fellow ifb's to be transparent.

Anishinaabe

 

[wtyson]

"Nib" makes claims (again, anonymously) with no proof (again, lacking any evidence that will withstand unbiased scrutiny).

Hi “Pastor,”

I made the claim against PC that he is both a deceiver and a charlatan. The dictionary defines charlatan as, “a person who pretends or claims to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses.” Then I revealed the truth that PC uses the title Doctor even though he has never earned said title. What more proof do you need of the fact that PC is indeed a liar and a charlatan?

Honestly, you as a pastor should be most offended by his deception. Are not truth and honesty things that you consider to be high Christian principles? How do you explain your defense of such a person that would base much of his public persona on a lie? Did not Christ Himself demand that we hold the to the truth as a high ideal?

My name is Nathan BTW. WCBC class of 1999.

It amazes me that any Christian would be so disrespectful and nasty to anyone including those they disagree with...it is very sad. Nathan, I pray the Lord helps you with whatever grudge or bitterness you are carrying.

My advice is to enjoy the good memories of the past at WCBC and move on from those things that bother you. Serve Jesus Christ with all your heart. HE is the only one who will never disappoint you or let you down.

 

[prophet]

"Nib" makes claims (again, anonymously) with no proof (again, lacking any evidence that will withstand unbiased scrutiny).

Others go back to the poisoned well (again & again & again) "It happened in such-and-such church!!", ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

I don't care what happened to Schaap or Hyles or Nahum, for that matter.  Paul Chappell is not ANY of those men and for you to paint him with the same broad, filth-stained brush is evil, plain & simple.

The "elephant in the room" exists only in your past, a past you delight in returning to (Prov. 26:11).  Or perhaps in your imagination where you insist on seeing something which is not real (Prov. 6:18 & II Cor. 10:5).

I plead with you, leave your past in the past.  Get it under the Blood.  Forgive that you may be forgiven.  For you to keep living in your broken condition when you could be emotionally & physically healed is the height of self-loathing.  We all have hurts & heartaches in our past, but healthy Christians refuse to be bound by those things.  We confess our sins.  We forgive those who have sinned against us.  We move forward in a life of obedience to God & love for our fellow believers in Christ.  We grow in grace & in the knowledge of our Lord !!

To do anything else results in a twisted & stunted existence (I dare not call it "life"), something akin to a parasite, drawing whatever strength that may be sucked from the healthy host, i.e. the strong & obedient Christian.

In closing, if I may share a personal memory:  My father, my mother & I were walking across the parking lot after my paternal grandfather's funeral.  Without going into all the sordid details, I will just say that he was a vindictive, bitter, unloving & unloved old man.  As we walked to our cars, my mother said, "I will NEVER forgive that man."  To which I quietly replied, "Mom, he's dead.  Who is your unforgiving heart & bitter spirit going to hurt now?"  As with many on this site, only herself.

Hebrews 12:14-15  "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled"

These pages are filled with bitterness & it must be uprooted.  It won't be easy & it may take time, but it can be done by God's grace and it will result in "the peaceable fruit of righteousness".

II Timothy 2:16-17  "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker"

"profane and vain babblings"?  I can't think of a better more succinct description of what's been said on here (with a few exceptions of several who genuinely desire to obey Scripture).  And like with my dear old mother, who is it hurting?  Certainly not Lancaster Baptist Church.  This tragedy sparked a tenderness in the hearts of many and, coming as it did, just a week before Winter Revival, resulted in perhaps an even greater repentance among members than might otherwise have been (Isaiah 61:3 "beauty for ashes").  Will it harm Brother Chappell's ministry?  If anything, the way he has handled this tragedy has increased his stature in the eyes of those who rightly love & respect him as their shepherd (it certainly has for me).

Philippians 4:8  "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

This verse should serve as a rebuke to the naysayers & those who are casting verbal stones.  Much/most of what's been written in this discussion is the antithesis of what the Holy Spirit is commanding us to be thinking about.  It's a perfect example of how NOT to think !!

I'll end by saying that I believe with all my heart that God would be most pleased by having this be the last post on this topic.  That everyone should agree that what's done is done & no amount of hashing & rehashing it will change what has happened, nor will it bring peace & healing to any of us.  It won't even satisfy our curiosity as we share our collective ignorance.  In fact, all it can do is nurture our misguided hearts as we cast unfounded aspersions on a great church and a godly pastor.

Philippians 3:13-14  "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."

If this is our goal & deepest desire (as it should be for every born again child of God), then I believe we will end this unprofitable debate.

Sincerely In Christ,
Pastor Roy Payne

The evidence was produced, that the church officially lied about JW's role at the church.  It has been colloborated by several witnesses on this very board, and through links to press releases.

But when you are protecting your own unscriptural kingdom (there isn't one place where the scriptures say that a church has a leader, or head pastor, or any other central figure than Christ)  it is hard for you to see things from the viewpoint of people who have been lied to by "authority".

Anishinaabe

 

[Binaca Chugger]

"Nib" makes claims (again, anonymously) with no proof (again, lacking any evidence that will withstand unbiased scrutiny).

Hi “Pastor,”

I made the claim against PC that he is both a deceiver and a charlatan. The dictionary defines charlatan as, “a person who pretends or claims to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses.” Then I revealed the truth that PC uses the title Doctor even though he has never earned said title. What more proof do you need of the fact that PC is indeed a liar and a charlatan?

Honestly, you as a pastor should be most offended by his deception. Are not truth and honesty things that you consider to be high Christian principles? How do you explain your defense of such a person that would base much of his public persona on a lie? Did not Christ Himself demand that we hold the to the truth as a high ideal?

My name is Nathan BTW. WCBC class of 1999.

The elephant in the room that y'all keep avoiding is the question Tarheel keeps asking.  What does Chappell have to do with causing this murder-suicide.  I've seen lots of innuendo and gossip, just no evidence.

It's being ignored, because it isn't the issue at hand.

The issue is PC putting out disinformation to the press, while the ink has yet to cool on his new tome imploring fellow ifb's to be transparent.

Anishinaabe

Exactly.  I do not believe PC ordered a hit - such supposition is ludicrous.  What we here are pointing out is that the church spokesman intentionally lied to the press.  Deceit.  We have been down that road and are suggesting to those there that they look a little deeper.  We also find it very intriguing that a man who promotes himself to IFBdom as a leader of transparency and openness and servant leadership within IFB churches, would promote lying to the press, nondisclosure and manipulation.  Just one of those things that make you go Hmmmmm......

 

[prophet]

"Nib" makes claims (again, anonymously) with no proof (again, lacking any evidence that will withstand unbiased scrutiny).

Hi “Pastor,”

I made the claim against PC that he is both a deceiver and a charlatan. The dictionary defines charlatan as, “a person who pretends or claims to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses.” Then I revealed the truth that PC uses the title Doctor even though he has never earned said title. What more proof do you need of the fact that PC is indeed a liar and a charlatan?

Honestly, you as a pastor should be most offended by his deception. Are not truth and honesty things that you consider to be high Christian principles? How do you explain your defense of such a person that would base much of his public persona on a lie? Did not Christ Himself demand that we hold the to the truth as a high ideal?

My name is Nathan BTW. WCBC class of 1999.

The elephant in the room that y'all keep avoiding is the question Tarheel keeps asking.  What does Chappell have to do with causing this murder-suicide.  I've seen lots of innuendo and gossip, just no evidence.

It's being ignored, because it isn't the issue at hand.

The issue is PC putting out disinformation to the press, while the ink has yet to cool on his new tome imploring fellow ifb's to be transparent.

Anishinaabe

Exactly.  I do not believe PC ordered a hit - such supposition is ludicrous.  What we here are pointing out is that the church spokesman intentionally lied to the press.  Deceit.  We have been down that road and are suggesting to those there that they look a little deeper.  We also find it very intriguing that a man who promotes himself to IFBdom as a leader of transparency and openness and servant leadership within IFB churches, would promote lying to the press, nondisclosure and manipulation.  Just one of those things that make you go Hmmmmm......

Tarheel has a dog in this fight cuz PC was an IFB he could stomach...this is all going south for him.

Anishinaabe