Latest ICE Shooting

I’ve watched the videos and can’t make heads or tails of what happened. All I see are a bunch of people scrambling around the ground.
 
FSSL said:
When carrying a gun, do not get into an altercation with the police. Simple.
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Which hand is holding a gun? I see a dark fuzzy blob. He had a phone in one hand and the other was empty the entire time he was being recorded up to and including his being tackled. When did this gun appear?

Please tell me that you went through the WSJ story. It has audio, video and the time line. None of that shows him in this position during the incident.
 
Phone in his right hand. His left hand is empty seconds before showing his right hand with the gun-shaped figure. Nevertheless.... he agitated and interfered with ICE while having a firearm on his person. That was a deadly mistake and puts the onus on himself.
 
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IMG_0917.pngI don't see a gun as the pepper spray is administered. Your photo is not from the sequence before the shots were fired. The officer is wearing a different color shirt and the lady in brown and the one on the ground aren't even in the picture you shared.

Again please go watch the videos in order.
 
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subllibrm said:
The WSJ link I shared is pretty interesting. Video from multiple angles. They don't seem to match up with the official reports.
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They do not show all of the angles. The pic above is from a video that has a different angle than WSJ provides.
The problem is not whether he drew the gun or aimed it at someone as much as he put up a fight and committed a felony (all the while having a gun on his person... exposed or not).
 
FSSL said:
The problem is not whether he drew the gun or aimed it at someone as much as he put up a fight and committed a felony (all the while having a gun on his person... exposed or not).
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Agreed, though I still maintain that unless the gun is in his hand, shooting is still an unwarranted overreaction.

I've seen some speculation on social media that his Sig Sauer P320 may have discharged unintentionally, as they are supposedly wont to do. Which would make the whole situation rather tragic, though it goes some way to make it justifiable, in the fog of war.
 
Ransom said:
Agreed, though I still maintain that unless the gun is in his hand, shooting is still an unwarranted overreaction.

I've seen some speculation on social media that his Sig Sauer P320 may have discharged unintentionally, as they are supposedly wont to do. Which would make the whole situation rather tragic, though it goes some way to make it justifiable, in the fog of war
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that might be the law in some places.... but even here in hawaii.. the most blue state in the union.. it has been ruled before that if an aggressor is simply attempting to gain control of the gun- it gives officers warrant to shoot him.. ....since action is faster than reaction once the gun is in his hand anyone he intends to shoot can be considered dead already.... .... in fact allowing an aggressor to take control of a gun in his proximity has been the cause of termination of employment for more than one officer.... .
 
aleshanee said:
that might be the law in some places.... but even here in hawaii.. the most blue state in the union.. it has been ruled before that if an aggressor is simply attempting to gain control of the gun- it gives officers warrant to shoot him.. ....since action is faster than reaction once the gun is in his hand anyone he intends to shoot can be considered dead already.... .... in fact allowing an aggressor to take control of a gun in his proximity has been the cause of termination of employment for more than one officer.... .
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Plot twist: Suppose it accidentally discharged while an ICE agent was in possession of it.
 
Ransom said:
Plot twist: Suppose it accidentally discharged while an ICE agent was in possession of it.
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the ice agent in possession of the gun when it went off - would most likely be fired - (depending on why and at what point the gun went off..).

the agent who shot pretti would stand trial for wrongful death - possibly murder/manslaughter.... .it would have to be determined whether or not he knew.... or should have known ... the gun was in another agents possession..... ... as it is - that is what will probably happen anyway... .. but if all the agent knew was that a gun went off and other agents were retreating then he would be justified.. (imho)

and if the ice agent did know or should have known the gun was in another agents possession then i would agree... he would be guilty of one or any combination of those charges if he shot pretti anyway ..... .....

either way prettis family would get a large monitary settlement from the federal government.... ..and that will probably happen anyway in both pretti and good cases too.. no matter who is determined to be at fault..... ... that has been done many times before by state and city goverments in cases where officers were exhonerated... .. not as an admission of officer guilt but just as a measure of good faith.....
 
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Ransom said:
Plot twist: Suppose it accidentally discharged while an ICE agent was in possession of it.
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The ICE agent would get charged with involuntary manslaughter and the civil trial would follow up upon its conclusion, most likely as a huge settlement.
 
My husband worked with law enforcement for years. He would always tell me don't argue with police and have a gun they will shoot you........
 
Typical leftist game: Put those you are against in difficult if not impossible situations then when it goes badly for you, make yourself out to be a martyr.
 
FSSL said:
They do not show all of the angles. The pic above is from a video that has a different angle than WSJ provides.
The problem is not whether he drew the gun or aimed it at someone as much as he put up a fight and committed a felony (all the while having a gun on his person... exposed or not).
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And as of yet I have not seen any proof that he ever had the gun out of its holster. The accusations were that he was "brandishing" a firearm. Carrying concealed is not brandishing. In fact if he had had it visible he'd have been taken down much sooner.

I asked if there was any evidence that he had drawn the gun. The photo you posted doesn't show any gun, which you pointed out yourself. And as I pointed out, it is from a different time sequence than when he was pepper sprayed. Different officer. Missing the two women.
 
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