Latest ICE Shooting

subllibrm said:
Which hand is holding a gun? I see a dark fuzzy blob. He had a phone in one hand and the other was empty the entire time he was being recorded up to and including his being tackled. When did this gun appear?

Please tell me that you went through the WSJ story. It has audio, video and the time line. None of that shows him in this position during the incident.
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What would you like for us to do?
Call Trump a despicable human being?
Call for the ICE agents to be publicly executed?

Promise to join you in voting Democrat?
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
What would you like for us to do?
Call Trump a despicable human being?
Call for the ICE agents to be publicly executed?

Promise to join you in voting Democrat?
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Trump is a coward. There haven’t been that many deportations. If he was serious he’d send the military.
 
subllibrm said:
And as of yet I have not seen any proof that he ever had the gun out of its holster. The accusations were that he was "brandishing" a firearm. Carrying concealed is not brandishing. In fact if he had had it visible he'd have been taken down much sooner.

I asked if there was any evidence that he had drawn the gun. The photo you posted doesn't show any gun, which you pointed out yourself. And as I pointed out, it is from a different time sequence than when he was pepper sprayed. Different officer. Missing the two women.
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well.... thankfully ..... (though your passion for this case is duly noted) .... .. you will not be serving as investigator - prosecutor - judge or jury - as you sit there in your armchair - with your laptop - looking at fuzzy out of focus images from a chopped up pieced together video..... ..... that will be the job of real investigators on the scene gathering evidence and talking to eye witnesses.... :cool:

but thanks for playing - "who wants to burn some federal agents just trying to their jobs - coz he thinks it will put him one step closer to burning trump?..." ;)
 
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subllibrm said:
And as of yet I have not seen any proof that he ever had the gun out of its holster. The accusations were that he was "brandishing" a firearm. Carrying concealed is not brandishing. In fact if he had had it visible he'd have been taken down much sooner.

I asked if there was any evidence that he had drawn the gun. The photo you posted doesn't show any gun, which you pointed out yourself. And as I pointed out, it is from a different time sequence than when he was pepper sprayed. Different officer. Missing the two women.
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I didn't say it wasn't a gun. It is a blurry image. I'm just not convinced it was a snickers bar.

Again, if you are armed, don't commit a felony against a federal agent. You may die and that would be a perfectly acceptable outcome according to our laws.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
What would you like for us to do?
Call Trump a despicable human being?
Call for the ICE agents to be publicly executed?

Promise to join you in voting Democrat?
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I would like to see an honest assessment that's not based on the approved talking points. The White House responded with terms like terrorist, brandishing, even assassination. Are those based on any evidence? If they were why has the president been backtracking on those claims? He either brandished the weapon or he didn't. All I asked was for folks to look at the videos in sequence. I also asked for some evidence that the gun was ever in his hand, visible to the officers.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Promise to join you in voting Democrat?
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I have voted for a grand total of one democrat in my life. County commissioner. Mid to late 1980s. It was actually a vote against his republican opponent who was a corrupt thief.
 
subllibrm said:
I would like to see an honest assessment that's not based on the approved talking points. The White House responded with terms like terrorist, brandishing, even assassination. Are those based on any evidence? If they were why has the president been backtracking on those claims? He either brandished the weapon or he didn't. All I asked was for folks to look at the videos in sequence. I also asked for some evidence that the gun was ever in his hand, visible to the officers.
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translation... you want to see anti trump propaganda based on democrat talking points.... ....

you are more predictable than pavlovs dog......... . why do you think the gun has to be in prettis hand before ice officers can shoot him?........ you have never been to war or in a fight to the death with armed people before .... have you.. ...probably never been in a real fight at all.... ... things happen fast... a lot faster than those chopped up video segements you posted make it appear... ... ... .

.if the gun had been in prettis hand when the scuffle started.. or at any time during it... it;s likely ice agents would be dead as well as pretti...... is that what you would rather see?.......
 
aleshanee said:
translation... you want to see anti trump propaganda based on democrat talking points.... ....

you are more predictable than pavlovs dog......... . why do you think the gun has to be in prettis hand before ice officers can shoot him?........ you have never been to war or in a fight to the death with armed people before .... have you.. ...probably never been in a real fight at all.... ... things happen fast... a lot faster than those chopped up video segements you posted make it appear... ... ... .

.if the gun had been in prettis hand when the scuffle started.. or at any time during it... it;s likely ice agents would be dead as well as pretti...... is that what you would rather see?.......
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Translation: I'm not giving up my talking points.

Where have I said anything about Mr. Trump? We are talking about the shooting in Minneapolis aren't we? I'm pretty that he wasn't there.

Which leads to your Pavlovian response to spin and twist rather than answer a clear question.

I do find your Pavlov reference pretty humorous. Ironic even. But then I do love irony 🙂
 
subllibrm said:
You good with the branch Davidian debacle?
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no.... though it happened when i was too young to pay attention to the news - i read about it later..... .in both that case and the ruby ridge case many of the people involved should have been charged with murder..... .....janet reno was definitely responsible for what happened..... but worthy of being executed over it?.....😲........ you are showing a level of political and religious bias ..plus a willingness to act on it that is disturbing...........
 
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subllibrm said:
I have voted for a grand total of one democrat in my life. County commissioner. Mid to late 1980s. It was actually a vote against his republican opponent who was a corrupt thief.
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Maybe you vote third party. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
subllibrm said:
Translation: I'm not giving up my talking points.

Where have I said anything about Mr. Trump? We are talking about the shooting in Minneapolis aren't we? I'm pretty that he wasn't there.

Which leads to your Pavlovian response to spin and twist rather than answer a clear question.

I do find your Pavlov reference pretty humorous. Ironic even. But then I do love irony 🙂
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oh gee.... i;m sorry... .. of course when you say.. "the white house responded with -"... it has nothing to do with trump..... :rolleyes:

sometimes i forget just how slippery and disingenuous you can be in these conversations......... you are so quick to whine that nobody answered your question when several people here have....(just not the way you wanted us to)....... .... ..why don;t you answer my question?....... what experience do you have actually being in the middle of these kinds of fights or altercations?......

you are correct... trump wasn;t there..... and neither were you...... but only one of you is jaw flapping trying to stir something up over this incident that investigators haven;t spoken on yet....

beyond that - and since you seem determined to push this issue..... do you believe tim walz bears any responsibility for giving speeches stirring up the protestors and encouraging them to fight -obstruct - and resist ice agents?.... you are always quick to blame trump or someone in his administration when these situations catch fire - but you never seem willing to mention or even discuss the democrats that set the fires or fan the flames....

you want to laugh at something else?.. . i find it funny myself that i keep trying to take you seriously here when you have proven over and over you are nothing but a troll........ you have never been anything else as far as i can see.... .
 
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