RIP Peter Ruckman 1921-2016

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

So apparently this doesn't apply to Ruckman?
 
Prejudice is a permanent trait of colored people, and no amount of ?Civil Rights? will ever cure it. (Ruckman, Peter. The Pastoral Epistles. 1989, p. 121)

All black people are racists. They have color-consciousness that affects every decision they make in life, and they make decisions on the basis of color. (Ruckman, Peter. The Pastoral Epistles. 1989, p. 121)


?people who could not invent a calendar or even a wheel?If white Dutchmen had not come down there and showed "the first black man to use a white bathroom" how to farm, build, manufacture, mine, merchandise, sanitize, regulate, and organize a civilization, there would be no civilization there. It was the Shemites who built the Egyptian empire, and it is NOT in central Africa; it borders Asia and had access to all the wisdom and culture of the east (Mesopotamia, Syria, Persia, Chalead, and Israel) through the centuries. Eqypt is now the exception which the monkey men use to overthrow the rule. It is an old, old story. The rule is: unless "whitey" shows the black man how to play the piano, the tuba, the trombone, the banjo, the saxophone, the clarinet, and the trumpet, he stays squatted in front of a hollow log. (Ruckman, Peter. Discrimination: The Key to Sanity. 1994, p. 20)


Yup, this sounds like a man who loved Jesus?





 
I am no fan of Ruckman, Prince or Chyna but this thread illustrates the atmosphere on the fff very well.
Many freebirds sometimes feel the need to defend obvious sin while rightfully disdaining Xer ism or phariseeism.
Personally, I prefer to do neither.

Prince, Chyna and Ruckman are all in eternity and only God knows where they will spend it.
Personally, I wouldn't want to have to defend the lifestyles of any of the 3.

If I had to bet my life on which of the 3 are in heaven, my money/life would have to be on Ruckman....but I would be uneasy about it all the while.
 
Jim Jones said:
Prince will be missed more than Ruckman.

Not by me.
Practically speaking, neither impacted my life at all.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Jim Jones said:
Prince will be missed more than Ruckman.

Not by me.
Practically speaking, neither impacted my life at all.

This is pretty much my take as well.

But I would never say "good riddance" to any soul, and I hope the family is comforted by God.
 
I don't  know what I'm more shocked by, people not caring that he was a racist in the name of Christ he actually tried to "preach the gospel"?  Or the fact on this very forum, there are people here who don't even bat an eye at that. They seem to accept the fact that this man who was supposedly  preaching the gospel actually hated a certain section of mankind. And some people on here seem to be OK with that.
 
Recovering IFB said:
I don't  know what I'm more shocked by, people not caring that he was a racist in the name of Christ he actually tried to "preach the gospel"?  Or the fact on this very forum, there are people here who don't even bat an eye at that. They seem to accept the fact that this man who was supposedly  preaching the gospel actually hated a certain section of mankind. And some people on here seem to be OK with that.
I'm not ok with much of anything about Ruckman. I didn't diss him much because I'm just not into being mean to dead people. But I will miss Prince and Chyna, and won't miss him.
 
Izdaari said:
Tim said:
Izdaari said:
Tim said:
Tom Brennan said:
The fact that two people on this thread have said complimentary things about Prince's music and apparently no one noticed tells me much about the current state of Christianity.
I never paid attention to Prince, but today I learned that the "Explicit Content" warning on music began thanks to his filthy lyrics. Doesn't sound like a role model to me. Say what they will about Ruckman - at least I relate more with him as a believer than Prince.
I don't remember seeing the Explicit Content label on many, or even any, Prince songs.
I just image searched on google "prince" and the results should have come with an explicit warning.
So you don't actually know any of his songs?
Prince is actually one of the "cleaner" performers out there.
If you did know his songs, you'd know that.
Tell me you are joking. I remember back in the 80's he was always used as an example in christian anti rock material because of the lyrics of his songs.

look up the lyrics of any of these songs and tell me with a straight face you think there fine and it would be ok for Christians to listen too.  Start with #9
If you think so we must serve very different Gods.
1. "Head" (1980)
2. "Sexuality" (1981)
3. "Do Me, Baby" (1981)
4. "Jack U Off" (1981)
5. "Little Red Corvette" (1982)
6. "Delirious" (1982)
7. "Let's Pretend We're Married" (1982)
8. "International Lover" (1982)
9. "Darling Nikki" (1984)
10. "Lovesexy" (1988)
 
Izdaari said:
T-Bone said:
Of the three who has actually done more harm to genuine biblical truth?
Ruckman, who spread the KVJO nonsense, leading many astray.



The vast majority of KJO's are not Ruckmanites and his influence ain't as great as expressed here


 
Recovering IFB said:
I don't  know what I'm more shocked by, people not caring that he was a racist in the name of Christ he actually tried to "preach the gospel"?  Or the fact on this very forum, there are people here who don't even bat an eye at that. They seem to accept the fact that this man who was supposedly  preaching the gospel actually hated a certain section of mankind. And some people on here seem to be OK with that.

Really... good grief.... what in the world gives you any idea the people on here don't care that he was a racist?  The quotes from his books were eye-opening (if quoted correctly). The quotes stood for themselves, and NO ONE here has approved of his teachings about the races.  This is imputing guilt where there is none.

That would be like me saying... no one on here has said anything against wife-beating, so everyone here must be OK with it.
 
Read my other posts in this thread Walt, it's more than his racist views,....I believe he was a heretic.
 
Recovering IFB said:
Read my other posts in this thread Walt, it's more than his racist views,....I believe he was a heretic.

I'm not sure of the exact meaning of "heretic", but I certainly think he was wrong on many subjects.

But I would still not say "good riddance" at the death of anyone; it seems to me to be ungodly... does not the Scripture say of God that He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked?
 
RAIDER said:
While I am not a Ruckman fan, we would believe him to be a born again man and in Heaven.

Prince and Chyna had no salvation profession of which I am aware.  Regardless of how much some enjoyed their music or career, they are most likely in Hell.

Sobering thought.


I guess I failed to tell the forum the story about the time I found myself in the same elevator as Prince.... And being a good HACker of course....
 
I did not know about Prince Rogers Nelson until the last few days.

He was very talented indeed and yes probably a saved man with fruit of the Spirit to give evidence of salvation.
 
aren't we supposed to refer to him as the Artist formerly known as Prince?
 
FSSL said:
aren't we supposed to refer to him as the Artist formerly known as Prince?
That was because of a dispute with his record label over ownership of the name. When that ended, he went back to using the name.
 
sword said:
Izdaari said:
Tim said:
Izdaari said:
Tim said:
Tom Brennan said:
The fact that two people on this thread have said complimentary things about Prince's music and apparently no one noticed tells me much about the current state of Christianity.
I never paid attention to Prince, but today I learned that the "Explicit Content" warning on music began thanks to his filthy lyrics. Doesn't sound like a role model to me. Say what they will about Ruckman - at least I relate more with him as a believer than Prince.
I don't remember seeing the Explicit Content label on many, or even any, Prince songs.
I just image searched on google "prince" and the results should have come with an explicit warning.
So you don't actually know any of his songs?
Prince is actually one of the "cleaner" performers out there.
If you did know his songs, you'd know that.
Tell me you are joking. I remember back in the 80's he was always used as an example in christian anti rock material because of the lyrics of his songs.

look up the lyrics of any of these songs and tell me with a straight face you think there fine and it would be ok for Christians to listen too.  Start with #9
If you think so we must serve very different Gods.
1. "Head" (1980)
2. "Sexuality" (1981)
3. "Do Me, Baby" (1981)
4. "Jack U Off" (1981)
5. "Little Red Corvette" (1982)
6. "Delirious" (1982)
7. "Let's Pretend We're Married" (1982)
8. "International Lover" (1982)
9. "Darling Nikki" (1984)
10. "Lovesexy" (1988)
Ok, those are sexual, though with clean language.  By which I mean "the seven words you can't say on television" are missing. Those are all his early work, his more recent songs are different. But yes, I do think they're ok for Christians to listen to. And I always thought the Christian anti-rock material was a complete joke, a satire of itself, like something written by The Onion.
 
bgwilkinson said:
There are some of us who have no idea who or what "The Prince" is or is not.

We are 20 minutes away from Ruckman's store/church. Hardly anyone knows him. I am surprised, but then again, IFBdom is not as big as we may think it was/is.
 
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