Nope, it’s the truth. Like Roman Catholics Calvinist treat scripture just like them. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
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I think it better said that God (actively) decrees his elect in light of the fall. Did God actively decree and deliberately cause Adam to fall? This is your accusation so please back it up. The onus is upon you.
And for the record, Ransom and I adamantly reject the "Equal Ultimacy" or what is rightfully called "Hyper" Calvinism so if you are arguing against this position, you are preaching to the choir. If it is your intention to slander believers who hold to this historic view, then we will give a defense and will answer a fool... or then again maybe not!
This is a matter of "He who shouts with the loudest voice and the greatest amount of vitriol wins the argument!"
Every Calvinist I ever debated believes they were elected before God created the heavens and the earth. What exactly did you believe before God created the heavens and the earth ?Scripture does NOT teach a heavenly lottery where some are elected and some picked for eternal hell. God does NOT believe for us, repent for us, nor faith for us. Jesus in John 6:29 said:I think it better said that God (actively) decrees his elect in light of the fall. Did God actively decree and deliberately cause Adam to fall? This is your accusation so please back it up. The onus is upon you.
And for the record, Ransom and I adamantly reject the "Equal Ultimacy" or what is rightfully called "Hyper" Calvinism so if you are arguing against this position, you are preaching to the choir. If it is your intention to slander believers who hold to this historic view, then we will give a defense and will answer a fool... or then again maybe not!
I back up what I believe with scripture not the beliefs of a dead Roman Catholic theologian named John Calvin.This is a matter of "He who shouts with the loudest voice and the greatest amount of vitriol wins the argument!"
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Yes, we went over all that eight months ago. You were ignorant then, and you're obviously still ignorant now.
Translated= he still believes the scripture not John Calvin and useless philosophies of men. You know let God be true and every man a liar.
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"He chose us in him before the foundation of the world" (Eph. 1:4).
No, I can't imagine why we'd believe that.
No one existed to believe anything. Stop talking garbage.
We went over this last summer, too. Calvinists don't believe God used a "heavenly lottery."
We went over this last summer too. No one says God believes for us, repents for us, or has faith for us.
Whoever you've been debating, they're not "Calvinists." Maybe you dreamt them.
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Yes, we already know you like to pull my imaginary opinions from your rear end.
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Does your objection to the “lottery” terminology pertain to the philosophical notion of randomness?
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Exactly. A good God choosing his people according to his own plan is the antithesis of randomness. He didn't pull our names out of a Bingo ball blower.
As scriptures clearly state. Anti-Cal's try to emphasize that Eph 1:14 says we are chosen IN HIM before the foundation of the earth although I am really not sure what point they are trying to make. Do they mean God does not know who his elect are until they actually trust Christ and are actually found "In Him?" I guess you can try to use this argument but either way, best of luck to you explaining away election and predestination in the Bible.
I wasn't here to believe anything so what's the point?
What do all men deserve? What do we NOT deserve?
Who is saying he does?
Once again you are slandering and mischaracterizing! This is fine if you are in an auditorium with a bunch of willfully ignorant sychophants yelling "HAAAAAYMAAAAAYAN" every time you spout off such nonsense but does not work when you are confronted with those who use the scriptures to stand upon their position.Jesus in John 6:29 said:Jhn 6:29 - Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. God requires belief which Calvinist have perverted and twisted into they don’t have to do anything but get elected, which is not scriptural.
The onus is upon you: Please name a single Calvinist who does not believe what you must do to be saved is "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ..."
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Of course He chose us IN HIM everyone saved is saved only IN HIM. Lol, they claimed to be Calvinist. What exactly did YOU do to be elected ?
Nope, that is what Calvinist do by following and naming themselves after a dead Roman Catholic theologian.
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BR, you nailed it. Heck, you even got the all-caps right.
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Isn't it a bit early in the debate to pull out the "I know you are, but what am I" card, Noodleneck?
It's a mystery why anyone would think I can't take you seriously
Calvinist don’t debate they create errors by misusing scripture and cramming all their beliefs into a few verses in Romans disregarding the totality of scripture.
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We have standards. You don't meet them.
Good I have no desire to meet the standards of a dead Roman Catholic theologian.