Trump is now a political liability.

Huk said:
I’ve seen no evidence that TopGov is a RINO.
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I agree. Too many people don't want to get off that Trump train. DeSantis seems to be a much better choice, especially for the Gen X, Gen Z crowd that are conservative. Sadly some of my friends/co workers have said their children stopped being conservative because of Trump and are now on the Socialist/Hollywood/Woke train.
 
i liked what he did as president.. .... but my opinion of donald trump is far from qualifying as "worship"...... i don;t pray to the man.... (or any other mortal being - living or dead)... and i don;t make offerings to him ..(political donations).... i don;t go to weekly meetings to sit with other trump supporters and talk about him.. (like church or sunday school or even townhalls)... . and i don;t go out into the streets trying to tell others about him and bring them into the fold.... (witnessing etc- passing out flyers).... and i don;t sing songs about him... .. the only thing trump gets from me is a vote.....

so while there may be some conservatives out there who actually do worship trump.. nobody i know personally does... and i certainly do not either....... ... to broad brush everyone who says they will continue to vote for trump as a "worshipper"... is doing something no different than what the leftists and liberals do when they call everyone who is not a democrat a "white supremacist"......

as conservatives we won;t defeat the leftist socialist onslaught in this country if we don;t stand together..... and stand together as conservatives..... but that;s all i will say about that..
 
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aleshanee said:
i liked what he did as president.. .... but my opinion of donald trump is far from qualifying as "worship"...... i don;t pray to the man.... (or any other mortal being - living or dead)... and i don;t make offerings to him ..(political donations).... i don;t go to weekly meetings to sit with other trump supporters and talk about him.. (like church or sunday school or even townhalls)... . and i don;t go out into the streets trying to tell others about him and bring them into the fold.... (witnessing etc- passing out flyers)..... .. the only thing trump gets from me is a vote.....

so while there may be some conservatives out there who actually do worship trump.. nobody i know personally does... and i certainly do not either....... ... to broad brush everyone who says they will continue to vote for trump as a "worshipper"... is doing something no different than what the leftists and liberals do when they call everyone who is not a democrat a "white supremacist"......

as conservatives we won;t defeat the leftist socialist onslaught in this country if we don;t stand together..... and stand together as conservatives..... but that;s all i will say about it..
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This is exactly what I see with people in my circle too. Most can't stand his egomania, but fear the establishment Rinos will be about swamp business like many have done in the past. To be fair, I do personally know a few who bury their heads and ignore all his warts, but they often do that no matter which Republican is in office.
 
My post title was Trump is a political liability. I would welcome any substantive arguments to the contrary. It can be argued that he was a huge reason there was no ‘red wave’. In order to institute policy you must first get elected.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
My post title was Trump is a political liability. I would welcome any substantive arguments to the contrary. It can be argued that he was a huge reason there was no ‘red wave’. In order to institute policy you must first get elected.
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He already has a large base. He’s already got a cash cow. He has a (mostly) successful record to point to. He has plenty of existing connections with politicians and the media (at least the ones who support him). He has experience on the job. He actually wants the job. Is that enough for ya?
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
My post title was Trump is a political liability. I would welcome any substantive arguments to the contrary. It can be argued that he was a huge reason there was no ‘red wave’. In order to institute policy you must first get elected.
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Huk gave the perspective in his last post of somebody who would argue reasonably for Trump's re-electability, in spite of his notable downside. This issue isn't easily argued as a slam dunk for either side, which is why you have plenty of people split down the middle over whether or not he is a liability or he stands a fighter's chance. He barely lost the election last time in spite of tremendous odds stacked against him like the media, pandemic, and the economy. That's why it truly perplexed me how so many people ignored the normally reliable metric of voter turnout regarding the economy in these midterm elections. Clearly, it's not the economy that is a pivot point for people voting. The issues that were introduced during Biden's run, expanding voter rights, harvest ballots, early voting, etc made a huge difference in my opinion during Biden's election as well as these midterms. Until Republicans get their heads around this aspect of the Dem's winning strategy it may not matter whether it's DeSantis, Trump, or Ronald Reagan reincarnated that they put on the ticket.
 
If Trump is not a political liability, then why are so many Republican politicians, megadonors, commentators and evangelical leaders scrambling to disassociate themselves from him and saying they never really liked the guy? And why are Biden's advisors hoping that Trump runs again?

Trump is a political liability. He is radioactive and toxic to the cause of conservatism and the Republican Party. We need to cut loose from him and move on.

It was a mistake to make this election a referendum on the Trump personality cult. Next time, let's fight the election on the real issues: Bidenflation, high gas prices, ban on fossil fuels, Green New Deal, Critical Race Theory, sodomite/transgender brainwashing in the public schools, government-funded abortions on demand, illegal immigration, high crime. Forget about 2020 election denial - the people don't care about it, they want to move on, and it's really too late to reverse the 2020 election anyhow.

And please, let's stop telling Republican voters to not vote early and to wait until election day. That gives a built-in advantage to the Demon-crats who are telling their supporters to go ahead and vote early.
 
illinoisguy said:
And please, let's stop telling Republican voters to not vote early and to wait until election day. That gives a built-in advantage to the Demon-crats who are telling their supporters to go ahead and vote early.
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That's right. Early voting and voting by mail favors the Democrats, not because they can get more voters, but they can get more ballots.

The fix was in for 2022. I completely expected another Dem coup. It's the ninnies saying we need to move on from the 2020 election whose heads are in the sand.

It wasn't about personality. It wasn't about Trump. Unless Republicans can mobilized to clean up voter rolls and play by the new rules now, there will never be another election on the issues.

Tongzhi!
 
Huk said:
He already has a large base. He’s already got a cash cow. He has a (mostly) successful record to point to. He has plenty of existing connections with politicians and the media (at least the ones who support him). He has experience on the job. He actually wants the job. Is that enough for ya?
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No that is not enough. I am not anti-Trump and agree that his policies were outstanding for the most part.

The election last week exposed his liabilities and that is a political fact. He is no longer the automatic Republican nominee. The Republican establishment aside, he has been exposed as a non-kingmaker in the party. Now IF he were not a POLITICAL liability I’m good with him. But he is by any objective metric.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
No that is not enough. I am not anti-Trump and agree that his policies were outstanding for the most part.

The election last week exposed his liabilities and that is a political fact. He is no longer the automatic Republican nominee. The Republican establishment aside, he has been exposed as a non-kingmaker in the party. Now IF he were not a POLITICAL liability I’m good with him. But he is by any objective metric.
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Tarheel Baptist said:
My post title was Trump is a political liability. I would welcome any substantive arguments to the contrary
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I was just responding to “substantive arguments” that you complained weren’t being offered.
 
I wonder if those who argued that Biden was too old at the last election will argue that Trump is too old for the 2024 election.
 
If it is so self-evident that the November 8 elections were a great "victory" for Republicans, and that Trump deserves the credit for that, then how is it that such a preponderance of conservative Republican politicians, donors and journalists see the elections as a defeat and a disappointment for Republicans, and are blaming Trump? If prominent Republicans, on whom Trump depends for re-election, see him as a political liability, then he is one.

Supposedly Trump is the only Republican who can save America and appoint conservative judges. Then how is it that he is being repudiated by his own Vice President Mike Pence, his own former cabinet members like Mark Esper, William Barr, etc, his best friends like Chris Christie, etc? And now he is running again on a platform of putting up a missile shield and planting our beautiful flag on Mars, which raises the question, if all that is so easy, why didn't he take care of it during his first term?

Trump is done, folks. It's time to move on. And yes, he is too old for the 2024 election.
 
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