Trump is now a political liability.

Huk said:
Walker’s a weak candidate to begin with, even without Trump stumping for him. I don’t hold high hopes for the runoff.
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He is a weak candidate who was endorsed by Trump. One of Warnock’s ads is simply 30 seconds of Trump endorsing Walker followed by I’m Warnock and I approve of this message.
 
FSSL said:
What evidence do you have that Walker underperformed because of Trump?
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My evidence is he’s in a runoff in a Deep South state against a liberal Democrat. Also, the governor of Georgia parted ways with Trump and won his reelection race with plenty of room to spare.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
In Georgia in the last election Republicans won every statewide race and gained seats in the Ga. Statehouse. Walker. Who I hope wins the runoff, underperformed all because of Trump.

Trump is a political liability.
In his own party
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Believe me, it WASN'T "all because of Trump!" It was partly because of his shenanigans and lies! Don't try to put the blame squarely on Trump. Walker needs to own up to his mistakes and quit trying to cover for himself. That's one thing that Georgians won't accept. I know, I married a girl from Augusta, and I lived there for many years.
 
Huk said:
My evidence is he’s in a runoff in a Deep South state against a liberal Democrat. Also, the governor of Georgia parted ways with Trump and won his reelection race with plenty of room to spare.
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That has NOTHING to do with it. Being in a "Deep South state" and running against a liberal Democrat isn't even half of the problem. Just because Mr. Kemp handily won re-election doesn't mean it was because he parted ways with Trump. He has done a LOT for the State of Georgia, and most of the Republicans like him.
 
Kemp won and is backing Herschel. So, if Herschel loses, will the evidence be Trump caused the loss. If Herschel wins, will the evidence be Kemp caused the win?

It’s flawed logic in my “book.”
 
As I stated in my original post, Walker was/is a weak candidate to begin with. But if we’re going to throw Trump’s name into the mix, it is factually correct to say that Walker fully embraced MAGA Trump and Kemp purposely distanced himself from Trump, mostly due to a falling out between them. I understand Kemp has done great things in Georgia, and I’m not saying he’s only getting re-elected because of his eschewing Trump.
 
FSSL said:
What evidence do you have that Walker underperformed because of Trump?
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All I know is that every statewide race EXCEPT his was won by a Republican.
Perhaps it was because he played for Georgia and not Georgia Tech.
Maybe it was because he drives a Ford and not a Chevy.
Maybe it’s because his favorite color was green, not brown.
It‘s a real head scratcher…
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FSSL said:
Kemp won and is backing Herschel. So, if Herschel loses, will the evidence be Trump caused the loss. If Herschel wins, will the evidence be Kemp caused the win?

It’s flawed logic in my “book.”
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Perhaps it is flawed logic, but Kemp has been courted by Walker’s people while Trump has been asked to keep a low profile.
 
Georgia election results - for governor, Brian Kemp, who was on Trump's enemies list, defeated Demon-cratic challenger Stacey Abrams by 7.57%. Brad Raffensperger, also on Trump's enemies list, defeated his Demon-cratic opponent by at least 300,000 votes - same margin as Kemp - sorry, I don't have the percentage breakdown for that race. In the U.S. Senate race, Herschel Walker ran behind his opponent Raphael Warnock by approximately 1%. (See election results below)

Okay, so we don't really know why Walker, who was endorsed by Trump, did worse than Kemp and Raffensperger. Maybe it was the car Walker drives, or his favorite color. But Walker's close association with Trump does not appear to have helped him all that much.

Meanwhile, this article notes that Ohio governor candidate Mike DeWine, also on Trump's enemies list, won by 25% of the vote: "DeWine and Kemp have several things in common. But one of the most conspicuous is that both stumbled into public conflicts with Donald Trump as a result of their refusal to back his denial of the 2020 election results. After Kemp certified his state’s vote count, Trump cast him as one of the MAGA movement’s great betrayers, and recruited a primary challenger to oust the GOP incumbent. DeWine, meanwhile, went on CNN shortly after the 2020 race was called and said that Biden had 'clearly' won, and that Trump should begin preparing for a peaceful transition. In response, Trump attempted (though ultimately failed) to find a credible primary challenger to back against DeWine.

"In 2022, Republican candidates with strong ties to Donald Trump — and, more specifically, his attempts at election subversion — tended to dramatically underperform other GOP candidates. Given that pattern, it seems plausible that Kemp and DeWine owed some of their success to the aura of 'moderation' they secured merely by being (1) objects of Trump’s ire, and (2) opponents of coups."


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  1. 2022 ELECTION
    Governor · GA · General
    100% of precincts reporting · Runoff Dec 6 if no candidate reaches 50%

    Republican
    2,110,328
    53.43 %

    Stacey Abrams

    Democratic
    1,811,471
    45.86 %

    Shane Hazel

    Libertarian
    28,113
    0.71 %




  2. 2022 ELECTION
    US Senate 2022 · GA · General
    100% of precincts reporting · Runoff Dec 6 if no candidate reaches 50%

    Raphael Warnock

    Democratic
    1,943,737
    49.43 %

    Herschel Walker

    Republican
    1,907,272
    48.50 %

    Chase Oliver

    Libertarian
    81,278
    2.07 %
 
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Yeah, it doesn’t take a PhD in political science to figure out what’s going on here…some people just refuse to acknowledge facts, and others understand the facts, but bandwagoning can be an irresistible draw.
 
Huk said:
Yeah, it doesn’t take a PhD in political science to figure out what’s going on here…some people just refuse to acknowledge facts, and others understand the facts, but bandwagoning can be an irresistible draw.
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I am probably misunderstanding how you are using the term bandwagoning, but many of the people who are holding on to the idea of what Trump brought to the populist movement aren't considered bandwagoning. Bandwagoning, per my understanding, would be better understood to define those who are now jumping on all of the criticisms of his mean tweets and the liberals attacks of him.
 
ALAYMAN said:
I am probably misunderstanding how you are using the term bandwagoning, but many of the people who are holding on to the idea of what Trump brought to the populist movement aren't considered bandwagoning. Bandwagoning, per my understanding, would be better understood to define those who are now jumping on all of the criticisms of his mean tweets and the liberals attacks of him.
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I do not consider support for Trump to be ‘bandwagon-ing’.
I have been a Trump supporter and, would probably support him again IF it were Trump or Biden. I totally supported his in your face attitude toward the libs in the Democrat party and their counterparts in the media. I supported most of his policy initiatives.
The constant nit picking and piling on of Trump only makes me support him more…at least for argument’s sake. He IS an immoral, selfish, self-centered narcissist. But, he was all of those things when I voted for him. In the past, in my opinion, he has not been a political liability, in fact he was a net political asset. POLITICALLY speaking, in our current environment…as illustrated by the last election results…the bloom is off the political rose. If he could control his own spirit he could and would be a political force…but he cannot. Not he will not but he cannot.

The Republican establishment make me angry if I think about them. We need a populist, grounded, competent conservative leader because I think the majority of Americans are getting fed up with this Uber-wokeism…which the Democrats falsely believe received a vote of confidence Nov.8.

I was in my younger years ’political operative’ which doesn’t make me an expert but it does give me a basis upon which to base my assumptions. Trump, in our current political climate, is not a net asset which is why there has been some conflict in the party over Trump being discouraged from going to Georgia.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
I do not consider support for Trump to be ‘bandwagon-ing’.
I have been a Trump supporter and, would probably support him again IF it were Trump or Biden. I totally supported his in your face attitude toward the libs in the Democrat party and their counterparts in the media. I supported most of his policy initiatives.
The constant nit picking and piling on of Trump only makes me support him more…at least for argument’s sake. He IS an immoral, selfish, self-centered narcissist. But, he was all of those things when I voted for him. In the past, in my opinion, he has not been a political liability, in fact he was a net political asset. POLITICALLY speaking, in our current environment…as illustrated by the last election results…the bloom is off the political rose. If he could control his own spirit he could and would be a political force…but he cannot. Not he will not but he cannot.

The Republican establishment make me angry if I think about them. We need a populist, grounded, competent conservative leader because I think the majority of Americans are getting fed up with this Uber-wokeism…which the Democrats falsely believe received a vote of confidence Nov.8.

I was in my younger years ’political operative’ which doesn’t make me an expert but it does give me a basis upon which to base my assumptions. Trump, in our current political climate, is not a net asset which is why there has been some conflict in the party over Trump being discouraged from going to Georgia.
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Based on your analysis I don't think there is a gnats hair's difference between our opinion of Trump (and his viability), and I think that you (and others) are probably right about how it is going to play out. I also think Huk and you are significantly right about "the bloom being off the rose, so he ain't going to sneak up on anybody in this go round. I'm simply not 100% persuaded that any other potential rival will be able to win with the way our country has apparently shifted politically. And in that vein I am comfortable with accepting his policy track record and accomplishments as an indicator of what he would support again.
 
ALAYMAN said:
I am probably misunderstanding how you are using the term bandwagoning, but many of the people who are holding on to the idea of what Trump brought to the populist movement aren't considered bandwagoning. Bandwagoning, per my understanding, would be better understood to define those who are now jumping on all of the criticisms of his mean tweets and the liberals attacks of him.
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Bandwagoning works both ways. Many who supported him did so because it became popular, and now many don’t support him because that’s become popular.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
news.yahoo.com

Trump faces backlash for hosting dinner with white supremacist Nick Fuentes: ‘Unacceptable conduct’

Former President Donald Trump hosted the rapper Ye and the Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes for dinner at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday.
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"Also, I didn’t know Nick Fuentes,” he added.​

Mmm hmm. That's more or less what he said about David Duke back in 2016, too. Wasn't believable then, and I don't find it believable now. Fuentes is probably the most prominent professional anti-Semite in the last few years.
 
Chris Christie, long-time friend, confidant and supporter of Trump, now says that Trump is not fit to be the Republican candidate for President: "Former New Jersey governor Chris Christie said Tuesday’s Mar-a-Lago dinner with Donald Trump, Kanye West, and white nationalist Nick Fuentes shows the former president’s 'lack of judgment.'

"'This is just another example of an awful lack of judgment from Donald Trump, which, combined with his past poor judgments, make him an untenable general election candidate for the Republican Party in 2024,' Christie said."


www.washingtonexaminer.com

Christie rips Trump for ‘awful lack of judgment’ after dinner with white nationalist - Washington Examiner

Former New Jersey governor Chris Christie said Tuesday’s Mar-a-Lago dinner with Donald Trump, Kanye West, and white nationalist Nick Fuentes shows the former president’s “lack of judgment.” "This is just another example of an awful lack of judgment from Donald Trump, which, combined with his...
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Yes, yes, I know, Chris Christie, Paul Ryan and all the other Republicans who have criticized Trump are just RINOs and bad people, and we shouldn't listen to them. Instead, we should continue to let the public face of the Republican Party be people like Trump, Kanye West, Mike Lindell, etc. so we can really lose big in 2024. (Yeah, let's turn that election into a "pillow fight)!"

Seriously, I wonder, just how bad do Trump's antics have to become, before we as Republicans, conservatives and fundamentalist Christians finally decide to disassociate ourselves from Trump, before we lose all credibility with the American people.
 
illinoisguy said:
Seriously, I wonder, just how bad do Trump's antics have to become, before we as Republicans, conservatives and fundamentalist Christians finally decide to disassociate ourselves from Trump, before we lose all credibility with the American people.
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Does it really matter? If Trump gets the nomination, you’re going to vote for him just like me.
 
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