When We Fail

Twisted said:
you are a sexual pervert who is into child porn.
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Folks, after thinking over this conflict between two Calvinists and Dan, I've reached a conclusion.

I'm trying to hep people with Scriptures that are vigorously opposed by Calvinists. It seems to be a Calvinist practice that when someone holds the Word of God in higher esteem that pagan philosophy, Calvinists have a call to fight Scriptures used by that person. The Calvinist method is to disobey God's commands not to speak evil of the brethren, and then use their false accusations as justification for rejecting the Scriptures used by the person being slandered.

It is regrettable that Recovering has decided to join Ransom in this sin, but it does seem to be a normal part of Calvinism.

I'm going to ignore both these scorners and teach Scripture. If you wish to learn from the Bible "Why We Fail," you're going to have to act like a grown-up and ignore their posts, as I do.
 
Vince Massi said:
Folks, after thinking over this conflict between two Calvinists and Dan, I've reached a conclusion.

I'm trying to hep people with Scriptures that are vigorously opposed by Calvinists. It seems to be a Calvinist practice that when someone holds the Word of God in higher esteem that pagan philosophy, Calvinists have a call to fight Scriptures used by that person. The Calvinist method is to disobey God's commands not to speak evil of the brethren, and then use their false accusations as justification for rejecting the Scriptures used by the person being slandered.

It is regrettable that Recovering has decided to join Ransom in this sin, but it does seem to be a normal part of Calvinism.

I'm going to ignore both these scorners and teach Scripture. If you wish to learn from the Bible "Why We Fail," you're going to have to act like a grown-up and ignore their posts, as I do.
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So this is what Spurgeon, Whitfield, Bunyan, and others did?
 
So far we have seen that Christians fail because
1) They don't use the methods that bring success
2) They don't understand why they fail
3) They refuse to serve unless they can rule
4) They do not understand how pride and humility work

A fifth reason is:

They do not understand how to use spiritual gifts.

We have already seen how John R. Rice forbad the use of spiritual gifts by Christians who did not show up for weekly soul-winning. As a result, he could not build a large church. And while Pentecostals have fouled-up with speaking in tongues, their use of spiritual gifts made them (not IFBs) the greatest soul-winners of the Twentieth Century.
 
Ransom said:
As far as I'm concerned, you are a spammer
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You go ahead and do whatever you figure is within your power to do so, sophomore.
 
Vince Massi said:
They do not understand how to use spiritual gifts.
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Vince does not understand how to answer questions.

He also thinks he is "ignoring" me, because he also does not understand the difference between himself and  a moderator. Well, we will see how well that works out for him every time he tries to start a new spam thread.
 
Did you know that the Apostle Paul NEVER commands us to go soul-winning?  But he devotes entire chapters to commanding us to use our spiritual gifts.

1 Corinthians 12:4-7 tells us "There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:"

Notice the last part. EVERY Christian has at least one spiritual gift. And EVERY spiritual gift is designed to benefit ALL of us. HAC told us that only soul-winning counts. Students who taught large, successful Sunday School classes were never mentioned--they had gotten away from the main thing. Students who volunteered for all kinds of work were never mentioned--they had gotten away from the main thing.  So why didn't HAC stop these students? Because they couldn't build a successful church without them.

The book of Acts tells us that Paul started and grew large successful churches. Now, how did he do that if he was teaching his converts how to use their spiritual gifts instead of commanding them to run bus routes?

Stick with this thread, Brethren, and some of you are going to discover a wide new area of Christian success that HAC never taught us about.
 
1 Corinthians 12 continues: "But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. "

It is the Holy Spirit Who decides what your spiritual gifts will be. When Christians attempt to seize "status" offices or ruling power, they are rejecting the work of the Holy Spirit. And when a leader forbids Christian to exercise their spiritual gifts unless they show up for weekly soul-winning, he is rejecting the authority of the Holy Spirit.

A few verses earlier, Paul explained "There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.  And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all."
 
Ransom said:
Vince is beating the "spiritual gifts" dead horse. Again. And again[url=http://.

We've seen what a tire fire Vince's threads always turn into.

The reason is that Vince's spiritual gift is apparently bloviation.

It certainly isn't [url=http://www.fundamentalforums.org/the-fighting-forum/abandon-ship!/msg181145/#msg181145]answering questions].

We've seen what a tire fire Vince's threads always turn into.

The reason is that Vince's spiritual gift is apparently bloviation.

It certainly isn't [url=http://www.fundamentalforums.org/the-fighting-forum/abandon-ship!/msg181145/#msg181145]answering questions.
Or answering other questions.
Or, indeed, answering yet more questions.

I use my own constant demands as an example, but as his posting history shows, Vince treats all criticism with equal disdain.

Perhaps his spritual gift is overweening arrogance.

He also thinks he is "ignoring" me, because he also does not understand the difference between himself and  a moderator. Well, we will see how well that works out for him every time he tries to start a new spam thread.
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Wow!  What a messed up formatted post.  How did you do that?
 
Vince is beating the "spiritual gifts" dead horse. Again. And again.

We've seen what a tire fire Vince's threads always turn into.

The reason is that Vince's spiritual gift is apparently bloviation.

It certainly isn't answering questions.

Or answering other questions.

Or, indeed, answering yet more questions.

I use my own constant demands as an example, but as his posting history shows, Vince treats all criticism with equal disdain.

Perhaps his spritual gift is overweening arrogance.
 
Twisted said:
Wow!  What a messed up formatted post.  How did you do that?
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That's the kind of dumpster fire you get when you accidentally paste one post into another and can't tell because on your tablet, the edit box is about two lines high.

Switched to laptop and fixed it. :)
 
For those of you wondering:... I tried the Vince Massi Method for handling my wife when she's angry. "Apparently " after some friends were over the house and we were smoking cigars on the back deck, my wife kept reminding me to clean up our ashtrays afterwards. The next morning my wife asked why I hadn't cleaned out the ashtrays like she had asked. I thought this would be the right time to apply the Vince Massi Method.  As Vince instructed, I ignored her complaints and kept on discussing the topic I was speaking about when she rudely interrupted me. But she persisted in her attacks about the ashtrays. After a while I had enough of it. I called my wife a" scorner" and told her she was "trying to have things God didn't want her to have".
After I woke up, and she was kneeling over me, with a sore jaw I asked what happened? Seeing she had the tactical advantage and I wasn't able to pull guard, I hoped she would show mercy. She told me to clean up the deck which I promptly did.
I am sorry to say that the book might take a little longer to write as I re-think my strategy.
 
Romans 12:6-8 tells us "Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness."

Brethren, you are to use your spiritual gifts!

Now here's a sidenote. I have seen Christians demand to teach the adult Sunday School class who refused to teach a children's class. It might have happened, but I have never known one of them to do a good job teaching the adult class.
 
Vince Massi said:
Now here's a sidenote. I have seen Christians demand to teach the adult Sunday School class who refused to teach a children's class. It might have happened, but I have never known one of them to do a good job teaching the adult class.
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And here is Vince, again making crap up that he didn't find in the Bible.

Who's to say that a children's Sunday-school teacher is equally skilled at teaching adults, and vice versa? Elementary and high school teachers go to a special school to learn pedagogy that university professors don't have to go to.

Vince is adding extra requirements for the use of spiritual gifts that the Bible does not require. Any particular reason not to just allow someone to use their gifts without making them jump through special hoops?

I have asked this before in one of the many spiritual-gifts threads Vince has spammed out. Naturally no answer was given.
 
Ransom said:
Vince Massi said:
Now here's a sidenote. I have seen Christians demand to teach the adult Sunday School class who refused to teach a children's class. It might have happened, but I have never known one of them to do a good job teaching the adult class.
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And here is Vince, again making crap up that he didn't find in the Bible.

Who's to say that a children's Sunday-school teacher is equally skilled at teaching adults, and vice versa? Elementary and high school teachers go to a special school to learn pedagogy that university professors don't have to go to.

Vince is adding extra requirements for the use of spiritual gifts that the Bible does not require. Any particular reason not to just allow someone to use their gifts without making them jump through special hoops?

I have asked this before in one of the many spiritual-gifts threads Vince has spammed out. Naturally no answer was given.
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I thought the same thing.  Years ago I happily taught Jr. age boys in Jr. church.  I would not do that now, but I enjoy teaching adults now which I wouldn't have wanted to do years ago.

Of course someone will point out that the "adults" here in the ward have the mental capacity of children.  Oh well.

 
Twisted writes: "I thought the same thing.  Years ago I happily taught Jr. age boys in Jr. church.  I would not do that now, but I enjoy teaching adults now which I wouldn't have wanted to do years ago.

Of course someone will point out that the "adults" here in the ward have the mental capacity of children.  Oh well."

Twisted, I'll tell you another oddity I've noted. If you want to succeed in dirty church politics, stay out of the children's ministries. If you fail, your opponents will say it proves you can't handle leadership of adults. If you succeed, it proves that you should stay in children's work while other people seize the status positions.
 
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