Will you boycott Target....

[Smellin Coffee]

One has to wonder how far this agenda will go.  We have already crossed legalizing marriage and requiring insurance coverage.  Now we are on the restroom issue.

Then one had better go back to the Founding Fathers to point the finger at them for not creating a theocracy in our country.

None the specific issues Raider mentioned are confined to a theocracy.

If he expect the laws to adhere to what the Bible teaches, then yes. The laws allow certain freedoms and this agenda is being pushed within the realms of the US Constitution.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

?Target?s harmful policy poses a danger to women and children. Predators and voyeurs would take advantage of the policy to prey on those who are vulnerable. It?s clear now that many customers agree.?

Again, the odds of a predator being in the restroom at the same time as me (or whomever) is astronomical. The odds of that predator attacking a stranger makes the odds even stronger.

Aren't male molesters currently allowed in men's restrooms with boys? How many news items have you heard about boys being abused by a total stranger in a public restroom? No doubt it has happened but it certainly is not a common occurrence. I would bet there are more news items of children being molested in a church building by a preacher or SS teacher or youth worker than there has been documented cases of a predator of the same sex, attacking a stranger in the bathroom. And a transgendered predator? Less often than that, I suppose.

First thing big businesses do in making company policies is to run legalities should a problem arise in an effort to avoid lawsuits. I highly doubt this policy was made without running through the legalities of the consequences and if it was a perceived threat, they would attempt to do whatever they can to avoid public safety issues.

What is happening is fear-mongering. I'm not denying the need for safety nor training children how to respond to personal threats because threats ARE real. But to create fear of someone else based on their difference in appearance, is a step toward violence against innocent people.

You are misinformed....yet again. 
Voyeurism in Target restroom.
http://www.cbs46.com/story/27529761/man-charged-with-voyeurism-in-target-bathroom-in-court

And like I said, it DOES and WILL happen, but not at the frequency as you will find in, say, a church.

And, no, convicted molesters by law can't be in a restroom with little boys.
They are responsible to avoid all contact with children...usually 50 feet or 50 yards, depending on the specifics of the court order.
I know this because our Celebrate Recovery program works with some convicted molesters and we have to be very careful as to the how, when and where as witty to help them.

Where did I use the term 'convicted' when it came to child molesters? How many time child molesters get caught and are convicted at their first/only offense? How many of those convicted violated total strangers vs. kids/families they knew?

You again, are clueless as to how child molesters are dealt with in the legal system. There is NO second chance or hand slap. Even someone who looks at child porn online with NO history of contact with a child have those restrictions placed on them.

And there is NO government mandate to send your child to church.

Other than that.....

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

One has to wonder how far this agenda will go.  We have already crossed legalizing marriage and requiring insurance coverage.  Now we are on the restroom issue.

Then one had better go back to the Founding Fathers to point the finger at them for not creating a theocracy in our country.

None the specific issues Raider mentioned are confined to a theocracy.

If he expect the laws to adhere to what the Bible teaches, then yes. The laws allow certain freedoms and this agenda is being pushed within the realms of the US Constitution.

Countries with athiest/Communist governments have had similar laws on the books...

 

[Bruh]

It's not a safety factor that is my concern.  I don't want my lil girl going to the bathroom next to a twisted looking dude. And having to explain something that shouldn't have to be explained to an innocent little girl. 

Explain this, why is there a need for a transvestite to enter a women's bathroom? What is the purpose?   

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

It's not a safety factor that is my concern.  I don't want my lil girl going to the bathroom next to a twisted looking dude. And having to explain something that shouldn't have to be explained to an innocent little girl. 

Explain this, why is there a need for a transvestite to enter a women's bathroom? What is the purpose? 

Not to mention changing rooms/locker rooms and shower rooms at gymns or health clubs.

Liberalism IS idiotic, right Smellin?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

It's not a safety factor that is my concern.  I don't want my lil girl going to the bathroom next to a twisted looking dude. And having to explain something that shouldn't have to be explained to an innocent little girl. 

Explain this, why is there a need for a transvestite to enter a women's bathroom? What is the purpose? 

Not to mention changing rooms/locker rooms and shower rooms at gymns or health clubs.

Liberalism IS idiotic, right Smellin?

Extremism on both sides of the ledger is idiotic.

 

[sword]

No.
I go to Target about 3-6 times a month as that is where my in-law's prescriptions are filled and I pick them up much of the time because neither can drive.
I've used the Target bathroom maybe two times in the last 8 years and have never seen a transgendered person in a Target restroom (nor any other public one, at least that I can recall) so it is a non-issue with me.

But do you have small children like many do. I think conservative people have remained silent & have ignored the incremental changes in society for far too long. Every time something like this comes up, moral people should complain and make their voice heard. The minority get there way so often, because they yell the loudest ,while we quietly go about our lives.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

?Target?s harmful policy poses a danger to women and children. Predators and voyeurs would take advantage of the policy to prey on those who are vulnerable. It?s clear now that many customers agree.?

Again, the odds of a predator being in the restroom at the same time as me (or whomever) is astronomical. The odds of that predator attacking a stranger makes the odds even stronger.

Aren't male molesters currently allowed in men's restrooms with boys? How many news items have you heard about boys being abused by a total stranger in a public restroom? No doubt it has happened but it certainly is not a common occurrence. I would bet there are more news items of children being molested in a church building by a preacher or SS teacher or youth worker than there has been documented cases of a predator of the same sex, attacking a stranger in the bathroom. And a transgendered predator? Less often than that, I suppose.

First thing big businesses do in making company policies is to run legalities should a problem arise in an effort to avoid lawsuits. I highly doubt this policy was made without running through the legalities of the consequences and if it was a perceived threat, they would attempt to do whatever they can to avoid public safety issues.

What is happening is fear-mongering. I'm not denying the need for safety nor training children how to respond to personal threats because threats ARE real. But to create fear of someone else based on their difference in appearance, is a step toward violence against innocent people.

You are misinformed....yet again. 
Voyeurism in Target restroom.
http://www.cbs46.com/story/27529761/man-charged-with-voyeurism-in-target-bathroom-in-court

And like I said, it DOES and WILL happen, but not at the frequency as you will find in, say, a church.

And, no, convicted molesters by law can't be in a restroom with little boys.
They are responsible to avoid all contact with children...usually 50 feet or 50 yards, depending on the specifics of the court order.
I know this because our Celebrate Recovery program works with some convicted molesters and we have to be very careful as to the how, when and where as witty to help them.

Where did I use the term 'convicted' when it came to child molesters? How many time child molesters get caught and are convicted at their first/only offense? How many of those convicted violated total strangers vs. kids/families they knew?

You again, are clueless as to how child molesters are dealt with in the legal system. There is NO second chance or hand slap. Even someone who looks at child porn online with NO history of contact with a child have those restrictions placed on them.

And there is NO government mandate to send your child to church.

Other than that.....

And there is no government mandate for you to send your child alone to a public bathroom.

Now you can move the goalposts back where they belong.

 

[RAIDER]

Not to mention changing rooms/locker rooms and shower rooms at gymns or health clubs.

This would logically be the next step, correct?

 

[Bruh]

It's not a safety factor that is my concern.  I don't want my lil girl going to the bathroom next to a twisted looking dude. And having to explain something that shouldn't have to be explained to an innocent little girl. 

Explain this, why is there a need for a transvestite to enter a women's bathroom? What is the purpose? 

Not to mention changing rooms/locker rooms and shower rooms at gymns or health clubs.

Liberalism IS idiotic, right Smellin?

Extremism on both sides of the ledger is idiotic.

Do you think that us being against a transvestite entering a women's bathroom is extreme?

 

[sword]

It's not a safety factor that is my concern.  I don't want my lil girl going to the bathroom next to a twisted looking dude. And having to explain something that shouldn't have to be explained to an innocent little girl. 
Explain this, why is there a need for a transvestite to enter a women's bathroom? What is the purpose? 

Not to mention changing rooms/locker rooms and shower rooms at gymns or health clubs.
Liberalism IS idiotic, right Smellin?

Extremism on both sides of the ledger is idiotic.

I understand you feel it does not effect you but tell me you don't support giving some man the right to go into a public shower, locker room, dressing room, or bath room just because on that day they feel like doing it.

What about teen girls high school or college locker room. What about the swimming pool changing room at school?

 

[RAIDER]

One has to wonder how far this agenda will go.  We have already crossed legalizing marriage and requiring insurance coverage.  Now we are on the restroom issue.

Then one had better go back to the Founding Fathers to point the finger at them for not creating a theocracy in our country.

Psalm 33

12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.

13 The Lord looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.

14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.

15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.

 

[redhead]

It's not a safety factor that is my concern.  I don't want my lil girl going to the bathroom next to a twisted looking dude. And having to explain something that shouldn't have to be explained to an innocent little girl. 

Explain this, why is there a need for a transvestite to enter a women's bathroom? What is the purpose? 

So you are concerned about actual transgenders? I hate to break this to you, but Target has always allowed transgenders in the opposite sex restrooms. People are complaining now because, by making this a formal policy, ANY man can come into a restroom and claim to be a female.

Transgenders are not new. I am in my 40s and remember my family pointing them out to me as a kid (I had two older brothers). We kind of laughed to ourselves, said "that's weird...", and moved on. At some point, regardless of the law, you will need to explain this to your children. The restroom policy has nothing to do with your child being exposed to transgenders- it will happen regardless.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

?Target?s harmful policy poses a danger to women and children. Predators and voyeurs would take advantage of the policy to prey on those who are vulnerable. It?s clear now that many customers agree.?

Again, the odds of a predator being in the restroom at the same time as me (or whomever) is astronomical. The odds of that predator attacking a stranger makes the odds even stronger.

Aren't male molesters currently allowed in men's restrooms with boys? How many news items have you heard about boys being abused by a total stranger in a public restroom? No doubt it has happened but it certainly is not a common occurrence. I would bet there are more news items of children being molested in a church building by a preacher or SS teacher or youth worker than there has been documented cases of a predator of the same sex, attacking a stranger in the bathroom. And a transgendered predator? Less often than that, I suppose.

First thing big businesses do in making company policies is to run legalities should a problem arise in an effort to avoid lawsuits. I highly doubt this policy was made without running through the legalities of the consequences and if it was a perceived threat, they would attempt to do whatever they can to avoid public safety issues.

What is happening is fear-mongering. I'm not denying the need for safety nor training children how to respond to personal threats because threats ARE real. But to create fear of someone else based on their difference in appearance, is a step toward violence against innocent people.

You are misinformed....yet again. 
Voyeurism in Target restroom.
http://www.cbs46.com/story/27529761/man-charged-with-voyeurism-in-target-bathroom-in-court

And like I said, it DOES and WILL happen, but not at the frequency as you will find in, say, a church.

And, no, convicted molesters by law can't be in a restroom with little boys.
They are responsible to avoid all contact with children...usually 50 feet or 50 yards, depending on the specifics of the court order.
I know this because our Celebrate Recovery program works with some convicted molesters and we have to be very careful as to the how, when and where as witty to help them.

Where did I use the term 'convicted' when it came to child molesters? How many time child molesters get caught and are convicted at their first/only offense? How many of those convicted violated total strangers vs. kids/families they knew?

You again, are clueless as to how child molesters are dealt with in the legal system. There is NO second chance or hand slap. Even someone who looks at child porn online with NO history of contact with a child have those restrictions placed on them.

And there is NO government mandate to send your child to church.

Other than that.....

And there is no government mandate for you to send your child alone to a public bathroom.

Nice dodge.
I saw you slip that apple into the orange line, though.
And drop the child molester subject.

You're on a roll....

 

[Bruh]

Not to mention changing rooms/locker rooms and shower rooms at gymns or health clubs.

This would logically be the next step, correct?

Yep!

 

[RAIDER]

So you are concerned about actual transgenders? I hate to break this to you, but Target has always allowed transgenders in the opposite sex restrooms. People are complaining now because, by making this a formal policy, ANY man can come into a restroom and claim to be a female.

Transgenders are not new. I am in my 40s and remember my family pointing them out to me as a kid (I had two older brothers). We kind of laughed to ourselves, said "that's weird...", and moved on. At some point, regardless of the law, you will need to explain this to your children. The restroom policy has nothing to do with your child being exposed to transgenders- it will happen regardless.

Isaiah 5

20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Not to mention changing rooms/locker rooms and shower rooms at gymns or health clubs.

This would logically be the next step, correct?

Each business should figure out what works best for its members. Our local Y has two "family" locker rooms where mixed company is expected and lockers/walls are put up to block indecency. Showers are individually blocked with walls and a curtain. I would imagine institutions would go to something like this or like that LA high school which created a bathroom solely for transgendered kids.

 

[RAIDER]

The restroom policy has nothing to do with your child being exposed to transgenders- it will happen regardless.

Sooooo the Bible believers in America are just suppose to sit back and let it naturally happen?????

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Not to mention changing rooms/locker rooms and shower rooms at gymns or health clubs.

This would logically be the next step, correct?

Yep!

It's already happened.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/07/living/feat-planet-fitness-transgender-member/

 

[Bruh]

It's not a safety factor that is my concern.  I don't want my lil girl going to the bathroom next to a twisted looking dude. And having to explain something that shouldn't have to be explained to an innocent little girl. 

Explain this, why is there a need for a transvestite to enter a women's bathroom? What is the purpose? 

So you are concerned about actual transgenders? I hate to break this to you, but Target has always allowed transgenders in the opposite sex restrooms. People are complaining now because, by making this a formal policy, ANY man can come into a restroom and claim to be a female.

Transgenders are not new. I am in my 40s and remember my family pointing them out to me as a kid (I had two older brothers). We kind of laughed to ourselves, said "that's weird...", and moved on. At some point, regardless of the law, you will need to explain this to your children. The restroom policy has nothing to do with your child being exposed to transgenders- it will happen regardless.

Umm......same would apply with a man going to the bathroom.  Do I really want my little girl going to the bathroom next to a man?  Is this proper?