The Rogue Tomato said:That last part is a given.
rsc2a said:And you telling people to carry around shame and guilt that's already been bought and paid for is what exactly?
rsc2a said:Blasephemy: the idea that God does not restore but only calls us to endure
The Rogue Tomato said:That last part is a given. Ransom doesn't know how to speak in anything but impudent sarcasm and mockery. Pray for him. He must lead an incredibly pitiful and miserable life. He is totally lacking in any sense of kindness or joy, probably due to the fact that he has such a problem living among such inferior people.
rsc2a said:Ransom said:rsc2a said:Did not...yes, I was there. Modern medicine is quite the advancement, in spite of what PY says.
LOL . . . so by "did not feel the effects of sin in childbirth" you meant "took some medicine, which had the expected effect on the body in reducing pain."
I'll hazard a guess that when you observed a weedless garden, you witnessed the miracle of Roundup.
Behold Monsanto, which taketh away the sin of the world!
You're a master of obfuscation. Have you considered joining the Jesuit order?
"You were right. Women can have pain-free childbirth. Instead of acknowledging this, I'm going to mock you. "
Not if we fall at the feet of Jesus. He has covered our shame. Like I tell my kids, our motivation should be love for God and others, not guilt, shame, and fear.Ransom said:rsc2a said:And you telling people to carry around shame and guilt that's already been bought and paid for is what exactly?
In your opinion, is there any act I could commit for which I should be ashamed?
rsc2a said:Not if we fall at the feet of Jesus. He has covered our shame. Like I tell my kids, our motivation should be love for God and others, not guilt, shame, and fear.
Suppose awayRansom said:rsc2a said:Not if we fall at the feet of Jesus. He has covered our shame. Like I tell my kids, our motivation should be love for God and others, not guilt, shame, and fear.
So let's suppose I raped your family.
rsc2a said:Not if we fall at the feet of Jesus. He has covered our shame.
FSSL said:rsc2a said:Not if we fall at the feet of Jesus. He has covered our shame.
Denying the Kenosis strips any ability for you to argue for "no condemnation."
If your Jesus was not humiliated and shamed on the cross, He did not experience humanity... Therefore your theology has no basis...
What is bad is that you are covering for Tomato who will continue to believe his delusion.
FSSL said:There is a saying down here in South Alabama, "stupid is as stupid does. "
Comparing someone tweezing their eyebrows out to the plucking of Jesus his beard is over-the-top. There is no other word to use than "stupid" for that comparison.
You have completely avoided the fact that the words "humiliation" and "shame" are used of Jesus on the cross. Until that discussion occurs, we have no reason to believe that you actually defend the Kenosis.
The proper answer to the OP would be. "Yes, Jesus was humiliated and shamed on the cross." Tomato, you need to read your Bible more.
rsc2a said:Suppose away
FSSL said:There is a saying down here in South Alabama, "stupid is as stupid does. "
Comparing someone tweezing their eyebrows out to the plucking of Jesus his beard is over-the-top. There is no other word to use than "stupid" for that comparison.
You have completely avoided the fact that the words "humiliation" and "shame" are used of Jesus on the cross.
The proper answer to the OP would be. "Yes, Jesus was humiliated and shamed on the cross." Tomato, you need to read your Bible more.
Ransom said:rsc2a said:Suppose away
If you say so.
If I raped your family, I should feel no shame or guilt because Jesus already paid for it. True or false?
rsc2a said:And I haven't said otherwise. Maybe the proper answer is for you to tell your MODERATOR, "stop talking about raping someone's wife and kids". But that might require a bit of objectivity and fairness that has vanished here.
ALAYMAN said:rsc2a said:And I haven't said otherwise. Maybe the proper answer is for you to tell your MODERATOR, "stop talking about raping someone's wife and kids". But that might require a bit of objectivity and fairness that has vanished here.
I wouldn't have went that far either, but it is obvious that he is not trying to incite your passions as much as demonstrate reduction ad absurdum.
rsc2a said:And I haven't said otherwise. Maybe the proper answer is for you to tell your MODERATOR, "stop talking about raping someone's wife and kids". But that might require a bit of objectivity and fairness that has vanished here.