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Trump has also for all intents and purposes gutted Obummercare.
And, he's STILL President!

Glad you can be so giddy when my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

My issue isn't so much that it was in essence killed, but it was not replaced AS PROMISED. Where is the safety net for the most vulnerable who need it?

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

 

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Trump signed more executive orders in his first 100 days than any president since WW11.  http://fortune.com/2017/04/25/donald-trump-first-100-days-executive-orders

Trump 1st year major accomplishments:


? Passage of the tax reform bill providing $5.5 billion in cuts and repealing the Obamacare mandate.
? Increase of the GDP above 3 percent.
? Creation of 1.7 million new jobs, cutting unemployment to 4.1 percent.
? Saw the Dow Jones reach record highs (most ever in 1 year).
? Signed an Executive Order demanding that two regulations be killed for every new one creates.
? Withdrew from the Obama-era Paris Climate Agreement, ending the threat of environmental regulations.
? Made good on his campaign promise to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
? Opened up the North American Free Trade Agreement for talks to better the deal for the U.S.
? Made enforcement of U.S. trade laws, especially those that involve national security, a priority.
? Expanded energy infrastructure projects like the Keystone XL Pipeline snubbed by Obama.
? Laid out new principles for reforming immigration and  end "chain migration," which lets one legal immigrant
        to bring in dozens of family members.
? Boosted the arrests of illegals inside the U.S.
? Signed three executive orders aimed at cracking down on international criminal organizations.
? Trump has nominated 73 federal judges and won his nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.
? Signed multiple bills to begin reform at Department of Veterans Affairs
? Directed the rebuilding of the military and ordered a new national strategy and nuclear posture review.
? Worked to increase defense spending.

Complete list of 81 major achievements and 11 Obama legacy items that have been repealed.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/year-one-list-81-major-trump-achievements-11-obama-legacy-items-repealed/article/2644159
 

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Smellin Coffee said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Trump has also for all intents and purposes gutted Obummercare.
And, he's STILL President!

Glad you can be so giddy when my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

My issue isn't so much that it was in essence killed, but it was not replaced AS PROMISED. Where is the safety net for the most vulnerable who need it?

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

Oh brother, Elmer!
What a c r o c k!

Nothing Trump did will prevent your ?friends? from obtaining insurance. The mandate has been taken out...and that was the guts of ACA! The mandate does not effect the available coverage.

Obama and the socialist liberal democrats lied about the ACA from the beginning and have admitted such. My wife has an individual policy that, under Obummercare doubled in premium while the deductible more than doubled!
My friend lost coverage completely and had to pay the fine for NOT having the coverage he couldn?t afford.

Be vewy, vewy afwaid....
 

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Tarheel Baptist said:
Smellin Coffee said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Trump has also for all intents and purposes gutted Obummercare.
And, he's STILL President!

Glad you can be so giddy when my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

My issue isn't so much that it was in essence killed, but it was not replaced AS PROMISED. Where is the safety net for the most vulnerable who need it?

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

Oh brother, Elmer!
What a c r o c k!

Nothing Trump did will prevent your ?friends? from obtaining insurance. The mandate has been taken out...and that was the guts of ACA! The mandate does not effect the available coverage.

Obama and the socialist liberal democrats lied about the ACA from the beginning and have admitted such. My wife has an individual policy that, under Obummercare doubled in premium while the deductible more than doubled!
My friend lost coverage completely and had to pay the fine for NOT having the coverage he couldn?t afford.

Be vewy, vewy afwaid....

Of course they can still purchase insurance - if the cost is right. But paying $3-$4K per month is a little high for some of us. (I'm fortunate I get coverage through work so I am going by what these folks have told me personally, not the media.)
 

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sword said:
Trump signed more executive orders in his first 100 days than any president since WW11.  http://fortune.com/2017/04/25/donald-trump-first-100-days-executive-orders

Trump 1st year major accomplishments:


? Passage of the tax reform bill providing $5.5 billion in cuts and repealing the Obamacare mandate.
? Increase of the GDP above 3 percent.
? Creation of 1.7 million new jobs, cutting unemployment to 4.1 percent.
? Saw the Dow Jones reach record highs (most ever in 1 year).
? Signed an Executive Order demanding that two regulations be killed for every new one creates.
? Withdrew from the Obama-era Paris Climate Agreement, ending the threat of environmental regulations.
? Made good on his campaign promise to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
? Opened up the North American Free Trade Agreement for talks to better the deal for the U.S.
? Made enforcement of U.S. trade laws, especially those that involve national security, a priority.
? Expanded energy infrastructure projects like the Keystone XL Pipeline snubbed by Obama.
? Laid out new principles for reforming immigration and  end "chain migration," which lets one legal immigrant
        to bring in dozens of family members.
? Boosted the arrests of illegals inside the U.S.
? Signed three executive orders aimed at cracking down on international criminal organizations.
? Trump has nominated 73 federal judges and won his nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.
? Signed multiple bills to begin reform at Department of Veterans Affairs
? Directed the rebuilding of the military and ordered a new national strategy and nuclear posture review.
? Worked to increase defense spending.

Complete list of 81 major achievements and 11 Obama legacy items that have been repealed.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/year-one-list-81-major-trump-achievements-11-obama-legacy-items-repealed/article/2644159

Impressive, but not all good.
 

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Smellin Coffee said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Smellin Coffee said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Trump has also for all intents and purposes gutted Obummercare.
And, he's STILL President!

Glad you can be so giddy when my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

My issue isn't so much that it was in essence killed, but it was not replaced AS PROMISED. Where is the safety net for the most vulnerable who need it?

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

Oh brother, Elmer!
What a c r o c k!

Nothing Trump did will prevent your ?friends? from obtaining insurance. The mandate has been taken out...and that was the guts of ACA! The mandate does not effect the available coverage.

Obama and the socialist liberal democrats lied about the ACA from the beginning and have admitted such. My wife has an individual policy that, under Obummercare doubled in premium while the deductible more than doubled!
My friend lost coverage completely and had to pay the fine for NOT having the coverage he couldn?t afford.

Be vewy, vewy afwaid....

Of course they can still purchase insurance - if the cost is right. But paying $3-$4K per month is a little high for some of us. (I'm fortunate I get coverage through work so I am going by what these folks have told me personally, not the media.)

It's Obama's plan, not Trumps!
Obama and the democrats lied and gave us a mess...your "friends" can thank Obummer...did I mention he lied to get the mess passed?
 

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Smellin Coffee said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Smellin Coffee said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Trump has also for all intents and purposes gutted Obummercare.
And, he's STILL President!

Glad you can be so giddy when my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

My issue isn't so much that it was in essence killed, but it was not replaced AS PROMISED. Where is the safety net for the most vulnerable who need it?

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

Oh brother, Elmer!
What a c r o c k!

Nothing Trump did will prevent your ?friends? from obtaining insurance. The mandate has been taken out...and that was the guts of ACA! The mandate does not effect the available coverage.

Obama and the socialist liberal democrats lied about the ACA from the beginning and have admitted such. My wife has an individual policy that, under Obummercare doubled in premium while the deductible more than doubled!
My friend lost coverage completely and had to pay the fine for NOT having the coverage he couldn?t afford.

Be vewy, vewy afwaid....

Of course they can still purchase insurance - if the cost is right. But paying $3-$4K per month is a little high for some of us. (I'm fortunate I get coverage through work so I am going by what these folks have told me personally, not the media.)

 

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Tarheel Baptist said:
Smellin Coffee said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Smellin Coffee said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Trump has also for all intents and purposes gutted Obummercare.
And, he's STILL President!

Glad you can be so giddy when my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

My issue isn't so much that it was in essence killed, but it was not replaced AS PROMISED. Where is the safety net for the most vulnerable who need it?

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

Oh brother, Elmer!
What a c r o c k!

Nothing Trump did will prevent your ?friends? from obtaining insurance. The mandate has been taken out...and that was the guts of ACA! The mandate does not effect the available coverage.

Obama and the socialist liberal democrats lied about the ACA from the beginning and have admitted such. My wife has an individual policy that, under Obummercare doubled in premium while the deductible more than doubled!
My friend lost coverage completely and had to pay the fine for NOT having the coverage he couldn?t afford.

Be vewy, vewy afwaid....

Of course they can still purchase insurance - if the cost is right. But paying $3-$4K per month is a little high for some of us. (I'm fortunate I get coverage through work so I am going by what these folks have told me personally, not the media.)


I actually agree. But the same could be said for the other party also. ;)
 

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Smellin Coffee said:
my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

I understand your 2nd example as you clearly state your friends FEAR they won't have affordable coverage; I've experienced that fear every year since the ACA was passed, having been cancelled 4 times, had my premiums almost triple, and learned that no individual policy available to me covered my oncologist (breast cancer).  So yes, fear is real, we can agree. 

I'm interested, though, in what changes the spina bifida patient has experienced since tax reform was passed 2 1/2 weeks ago.  She can no longer get coverage or quality medical care since the repeal of the mandate on 12/22/17?  I understand that if she no longer WANTS insurance, she won't face a fine for her choice, but otherwise... how did circumstances change as you describe?

I have 2 adult sons - one has never qualified for a subsidy (too "rich" with his after-child support income of $12K/year) and one who gets the subsidy to help pay for crappy policy (which nobody takes so he self-pays when he's sick).  The repeal of the mandate helps one of them, but doesn't hurt either of them.  Wouldn't it be basically the same for the people you're most concerned about? 

Another matter I'm not clear on:  can I consider myself a follower of Jesus, or just a giddy hater who doesn't care about my sons (much less other poor and/or unhealthy folks)?  :-\ 
 

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Least of These said:
Smellin Coffee said:
my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

I understand your 2nd example as you clearly state your friends FEAR they won't have affordable coverage; I've experienced that fear every year since the ACA was passed, having been cancelled 4 times, had my premiums almost triple, and learned that no individual policy available to me covered my oncologist (breast cancer).  So yes, fear is real, we can agree. 

I'm interested, though, in what changes the spina bifida patient has experienced since tax reform was passed 2 1/2 weeks ago.  She can no longer get coverage or quality medical care since the repeal of the mandate on 12/22/17?  I understand that if she no longer WANTS insurance, she won't face a fine for her choice, but otherwise... how did circumstances change as you describe?

I have 2 adult sons - one has never qualified for a subsidy (too "rich" with his after-child support income of $12K/year) and one who gets the subsidy to help pay for crappy policy (which nobody takes so he self-pays when he's sick).  The repeal of the mandate helps one of them, but doesn't hurt either of them.  Wouldn't it be basically the same for the people you're most concerned about? 

Another matter I'm not clear on:  can I consider myself a follower of Jesus, or just a giddy hater who doesn't care about my sons (much less other poor and/or unhealthy folks)?  :-\

Sad all around.

Get the Feds out of it.  Eliminate Fed restraints from shopping across state lines and buying meds from out of the country.  So many problems because of the Feds.  IMO, insurance has ruined health care.
 

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Get the Feds out of it.  Eliminate Fed restraints from shopping across state lines and buying meds from out of the country.  So many problems because of the Feds.  IMO, insurance has ruined health care.

Absolutely agree. 

In instances where there is truly a need for government assistance/safety net, I'd rather leave it up to state and local officials to find out a workable solution for their own communities.  It's much easier, IMO, to be heard and affect change (in policy AND in election results) locally than federally.    If I didn't hate the poor & sickly so much, I'd suggest that block grants to the states are worth considering in order to ensure that those who need it continue to  have access to medical care.  ;)
 

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Trump signed more executive orders in his first 100 days than any president since WW11.  http://fortune.com/2017/04/25/donald-trump-first-100-days-executive-orders

Trump 1st year major accomplishments:


? Passage of the tax reform bill providing $5.5 billion in cuts and repealing the Obamacare mandate.
? Increase of the GDP above 3 percent.
? Creation of 1.7 million new jobs, cutting unemployment to 4.1 percent.
? Saw the Dow Jones reach record highs (most ever in 1 year).
? Signed an Executive Order demanding that two regulations be killed for every new one creates.
? Withdrew from the Obama-era Paris Climate Agreement, ending the threat of environmental regulations.
? Made good on his campaign promise to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
? Opened up the North American Free Trade Agreement for talks to better the deal for the U.S.
? Made enforcement of U.S. trade laws, especially those that involve national security, a priority.
? Expanded energy infrastructure projects like the Keystone XL Pipeline snubbed by Obama.
? Laid out new principles for reforming immigration and  end "chain migration," which lets one legal immigrant
        to bring in dozens of family members.
? Boosted the arrests of illegals inside the U.S.
? Signed three executive orders aimed at cracking down on international criminal organizations.
? Trump has nominated 73 federal judges and won his nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.
? Signed multiple bills to begin reform at Department of Veterans Affairs
? Directed the rebuilding of the military and ordered a new national strategy and nuclear posture review.
? Worked to increase defense spending.

Complete list of 81 major achievements and 11 Obama legacy items that have been repealed.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/year-one-list-81-major-trump-achievements-11-obama-legacy-items-repealed/article/2644159
Impressive, but not all good.
I agree with you, but one must also consider all the things that did not happen because Hil HILl because she is not in office.

Which of the 81 achievements do you think are really bad?

This is an open question for anyone to chime in, not just our twisted friend.
 

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my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

I understand your 2nd example as you clearly state your friends FEAR they won't have affordable coverage; I've experienced that fear every year since the ACA was passed, having been cancelled 4 times, had my premiums almost triple, and learned that no individual policy available to me covered my oncologist (breast cancer).  So yes, fear is real, we can agree. 

I'm interested, though, in what changes the spina bifida patient has experienced since tax reform was passed 2 1/2 weeks ago.  She can no longer get coverage or quality medical care since the repeal of the mandate on 12/22/17?  I understand that if she no longer WANTS insurance, she won't face a fine for her choice, but otherwise... how did circumstances change as you describe?

I have 2 adult sons - one has never qualified for a subsidy (too "rich" with his after-child support income of $12K/year) and one who gets the subsidy to help pay for crappy policy (which nobody takes so he self-pays when he's sick).  The repeal of the mandate helps one of them, but doesn't hurt either of them.  Wouldn't it be basically the same for the people you're most concerned about? 

Another matter I'm not clear on:  can I consider myself a follower of Jesus, or just a giddy hater who doesn't care about my sons (much less other poor and/or unhealthy folks)?  :-\

She said that after the decision was made, the insurance said when her term expires, the monthly cost will go up over $600 per month. She (age 23) and her father (heart condition) are looking for other plans but the cost of insurance for the two of them alone exceeds his income as a contract truck driver.

Concerning your last statement, I don't consider you a "giddy hater". That was toward a specific individual, not everyone who supports the changes. Obamacare had severe deficiencies that needed to be corrected/revised. No question. But without an active plan in place, I don't think anyone who goes out of their way to rejoice in situations that cause people to be dropped (or costed out) whether it be an existing or a preexisting condition, is a Christlike attitude.
 

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Least of These said:
Smellin Coffee said:
my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

I understand your 2nd example as you clearly state your friends FEAR they won't have affordable coverage; I've experienced that fear every year since the ACA was passed, having been cancelled 4 times, had my premiums almost triple, and learned that no individual policy available to me covered my oncologist (breast cancer).  So yes, fear is real, we can agree. 

I'm interested, though, in what changes the spina bifida patient has experienced since tax reform was passed 2 1/2 weeks ago.  She can no longer get coverage or quality medical care since the repeal of the mandate on 12/22/17?  I understand that if she no longer WANTS insurance, she won't face a fine for her choice, but otherwise... how did circumstances change as you describe?

I have 2 adult sons - one has never qualified for a subsidy (too "rich" with his after-child support income of $12K/year) and one who gets the subsidy to help pay for crappy policy (which nobody takes so he self-pays when he's sick).  The repeal of the mandate helps one of them, but doesn't hurt either of them.  Wouldn't it be basically the same for the people you're most concerned about? 

Another matter I'm not clear on:  can I consider myself a follower of Jesus, or just a giddy hater who doesn't care about my sons (much less other poor and/or unhealthy folks)?  :-\

Sad all around.

Get the Feds out of it.  Eliminate Fed restraints from shopping across state lines and buying meds from out of the country.  So many problems because of the Feds.  IMO, insurance has ruined health care.

Yet they are digging in deeper, specifically with the states' rights involving the sale of cannabis.
 

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Smellin Coffee said:
She said that after the decision was made, the insurance said when her term expires, the monthly cost will go up over $600 per month. She (age 23) and her father (heart condition) are looking for other plans but the cost of insurance for the two of them alone exceeds his income as a contract truck driver.

Concerning your last statement, I don't consider you a "giddy hater". That was toward a specific individual, not everyone who supports the changes. Obamacare had severe deficiencies that needed to be corrected/revised. No question. But without an active plan in place, I don't think anyone who goes out of their way to rejoice in situations that cause people to be dropped (or costed out) whether it be an existing or a preexisting condition, is a Christlike attitude.

So it looks like her issue, as well, is fear that when people are allowed to go uninsured without incurring a penalty, premiums will go up to cover the loss of those penalties... IF a repair or replacement is not implemented in the meantime (which, if I understand correctly, is in 2019).  Fair enough - it's a fear a lot of people share, and one many faced when their prior policies (which were sufficient & affordable) were cancelled and replaced with expensive, high-deductible ACA compliant plans.  I don't discount anyone's fears - those hurt by ACA or those who might be hurt if it's ever repealed and not replaced.  Especially now that we learned that politicians - even presidents - will out-right lie to the American people about the outcome of their legislation, if that's what it takes to get it passed.

Support of the ACA penalty repeal, and compassion for the sick, aren't mutually exclusive.  I was "costed out" of insurance by the ACA; never occurred to me to consider those who celebrated its passage as unchristian.  Maybe I should rethink this... ;)  lol
 

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Smellin Coffee said:
Least of These said:
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my friend with spina bifida will no longer be able to get affordable insurance nor the quality care she need. And two other families I personally know with autistic children who now fear they won't be able to afford to care for their families.

Yet, you are giddy that poor, unhealthy folks are going to get second class (if any) care and can face bankruptcy, putting them into extreme poverty. And you consider yourself a follower of Jesus?

I understand your 2nd example as you clearly state your friends FEAR they won't have affordable coverage; I've experienced that fear every year since the ACA was passed, having been cancelled 4 times, had my premiums almost triple, and learned that no individual policy available to me covered my oncologist (breast cancer).  So yes, fear is real, we can agree. 

I'm interested, though, in what changes the spina bifida patient has experienced since tax reform was passed 2 1/2 weeks ago.  She can no longer get coverage or quality medical care since the repeal of the mandate on 12/22/17?  I understand that if she no longer WANTS insurance, she won't face a fine for her choice, but otherwise... how did circumstances change as you describe?

I have 2 adult sons - one has never qualified for a subsidy (too "rich" with his after-child support income of $12K/year) and one who gets the subsidy to help pay for crappy policy (which nobody takes so he self-pays when he's sick).  The repeal of the mandate helps one of them, but doesn't hurt either of them.  Wouldn't it be basically the same for the people you're most concerned about? 

Another matter I'm not clear on:  can I consider myself a follower of Jesus, or just a giddy hater who doesn't care about my sons (much less other poor and/or unhealthy folks)?  :-\

She said that after the decision was made, the insurance said when her term expires, the monthly cost will go up over $600 per month. She (age 23) and her father (heart condition) are looking for other plans but the cost of insurance for the two of them alone exceeds his income as a contract truck driver.

Concerning your last statement, I don't consider you a "giddy hater". That was toward a specific individual, not everyone who supports the changes. Obamacare had severe deficiencies that needed to be corrected/revised. No question. But without an active plan in place, I don't think anyone who goes out of their way to rejoice in situations that cause people to be dropped (or costed out) whether it be an existing or a preexisting condition, is a Christlike attitude.

Again, at the risk of being called a 'giddy hater' for simply stating the facts, the plan you rail against is OBAMA'S PLAN!
Since he and the democrat's lied to pass the ACA, my own premium has doubled, as have so many others'. BECAUSE OF OBUMMERCARE.
You cannot blame this mess on Trump!
 

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Least of These said:
Smellin Coffee said:
She said that after the decision was made, the insurance said when her term expires, the monthly cost will go up over $600 per month. She (age 23) and her father (heart condition) are looking for other plans but the cost of insurance for the two of them alone exceeds his income as a contract truck driver.

Concerning your last statement, I don't consider you a "giddy hater". That was toward a specific individual, not everyone who supports the changes. Obamacare had severe deficiencies that needed to be corrected/revised. No question. But without an active plan in place, I don't think anyone who goes out of their way to rejoice in situations that cause people to be dropped (or costed out) whether it be an existing or a preexisting condition, is a Christlike attitude.

So it looks like her issue, as well, is fear that when people are allowed to go uninsured without incurring a penalty, premiums will go up to cover the loss of those penalties... IF a repair or replacement is not implemented in the meantime (which, if I understand correctly, is in 2019).  Fair enough - it's a fear a lot of people share, and one many faced when their prior policies (which were sufficient & affordable) were cancelled and replaced with expensive, high-deductible ACA compliant plans.  I don't discount anyone's fears - those hurt by ACA or those who might be hurt if it's ever repealed and not replaced.  Especially now that we learned that politicians - even presidents - will out-right lie to the American people about the outcome of their legislation, if that's what it takes to get it passed.

Support of the ACA penalty repeal, and compassion for the sick, aren't mutually exclusive.  I was "costed out" of insurance by the ACA; never occurred to me to consider those who celebrated its passage as unchristian.  Maybe I should rethink this... ;)  lol

Plus the fact that their intentional strategy to pass the mess was to lie about it....
 

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Yet they are digging in deeper, specifically with the states' rights involving the sale of cannabis.

Agreed.  And with the possession of heroin, opium, raw milk, meds from Canada, etc.

The Feds are strongly opposed to freedom.
 

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Yet they are digging in deeper, specifically with the states' rights involving the sale of cannabis.

Agreed.  And with the possession of heroin, opium, raw milk, meds from Canada, etc.

The Feds are strongly opposed to freedom.

Which is why they they need it to keep white supremacy in power.
 

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Twisted said:
Smellin Coffee said:
Yet they are digging in deeper, specifically with the states' rights involving the sale of cannabis.

Agreed.  And with the possession of heroin, opium, raw milk, meds from Canada, etc.

The Feds are strongly opposed to freedom.

Which is why they they need it to keep white supremacy in power.

All I know is my straitjacket is WHITE, but the buckles are BLACK.
 
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