Conservativism Without Christianity

[FSSL]

but what you are praying for and how you interpret that passage is incorrect.
1Tim2:1 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people? 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
Paul is talking about praying for different kinds of people for the specific purpose of bring salvation to God's elect. He is using kings and those in authority as examples .

Recovering is never happy... even when we pray for our country!!! We are doing it all wrong! Perhaps we should stop all of the praying nonsense since we cannot get it right!

Seriously now, Paul wants us to pray in various ways for our earthly authorities. For their salvation? Sure. For that only? Nope.


Paul moves from General to Specific. He is not just using the authorities as examples of different kinds of people, he wants to make sure that we don't neglect praying specifically for the authorities! This who have direct control over ability to live in peace.

 

[prophet]

If I believed that God elects regardless of man's will, I wouldn't pray for anyone's salvation....It would be an exercise in futility.



earnestly contend

 

[FSSL]

If I believed that God elects regardless of man's will, I wouldn't pray for anyone's salvation....It would be an exercise in futility. earnestly contend

You are a sad man ;(

?Brothers, my heart?s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved? (Rom. 10:1)

 

[prophet]

If I believed that God elects regardless of man's will, I wouldn't pray for anyone's salvation....It would be an exercise in futility. earnestly contend

You are a sad man ;(

?Brothers, my heart?s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved? (Rom. 10:1)

Yeah, how'd that work out for Paul and his Kin?

Act 18:5 ? Act 18:6
And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Pssst, I said "if"...

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[FSSL]

Yeah, how'd that work out for Paul and his Kin?

Successfully. The Gospel went out. He endured the sufferings of Christ. It's not about the numbers who walk down an aisle!

Pssst, I said "if"...

Okay... then why would you not gladly share the gospel, knowing full-well, that God will use the dissemination of it for His own purposes? I don't need to gain anything from giving the gospel.

Paul gave the gospel regardless of man's will. It is all about God's will.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Yeah, how'd that work out for Paul and his Kin?

Successfully. The Gospel went out. He endured the sufferings of Christ. It's not about the numbers who walk down an aisle!

Pssst, I said "if"...

Okay... then why would you not gladly share the gospel, knowing full-well, that God will use the dissemination of it for His own purposes? I don't need to gain anything from giving the gospel.

Paul gave the gospel regardless of man's will. It is all about God's will.

Exactly.

When we share the Gospel, we are simply obeying His command.
Some here don't have a clue as to who Jesus or what the gospel is...
Some others still have the old X-er mentality that we have to 'win them and count them'.

Scripturally, one plants, another waters but God always gives the increase according to the good pleasure of His will...

 

[FSSL]

Too bad I am not going to be closer to your area, Tarheel. I am training an insulation crew in Aberdeen this coming Friday.

 

[prophet]

Yeah, how'd that work out for Paul and his Kin?

Successfully. The Gospel went out. He endured the sufferings of Christ. It's not about the numbers who walk down an aisle!

Pssst, I said "if"...

Okay... then why would you not gladly share the gospel, knowing full-well, that God will use the dissemination of it for His own purposes? I don't need to gain anything from giving the gospel.

Paul gave the gospel regardless of man's will. It is all about God's will.

I'm pretty sure that you misunderstood me.

I said nothing of "not giving the gospel".



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[FSSL]

I'm pretty sure that you misunderstood me.

I said nothing of "not giving the gospel".

Perhaps if you were less obtuse and got rid of the straw man, you would be far easier to understand.

 

[prophet]

I'm pretty sure that you misunderstood me.

I said nothing of "not giving the gospel".

Perhaps if you were less obtuse and got rid of the straw man, you would be far easier to understand.

You can read comprehensively.

The subject was prayer for authorities.

I was referring to prayer for salvation vs. general prayer.

I took a swipe at unconditional election.

You didn't like that.

You answered me as if I had spoken against giving the gospel out.

I didn't.




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[FSSL]

You didn't speak against unconditional election.
You erected a strawman.

 

[prophet]

You didn't speak against unconditional election.
You erected a strawman.

I didn't erect a straw man, I mentioned a very widely accepted doctrine that was pertinent to the conversation.

Look, I know you and I don't agree on all things Calvin, but don't put words in my mouth.

My life is Christ's, and He has led me to share His Gospel thousands of times, in every imaginable situation.

My point was germaine, that "Prayer for God to save the Elect" is an exercise in futility, since He is going to do it anyway.

Therefore, I am proposing that "praying for authority to be saved" isn't the subject, or at least not the main thrust, of our prayer for civil authorities.





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[prophet]

Yeah, how'd that work out for Paul and his Kin?

Successfully. The Gospel went out. He endured the sufferings of Christ. It's not about the numbers who walk down an aisle!

Pssst, I said "if"...

Okay... then why would you not gladly share the gospel, knowing full-well, that God will use the dissemination of it for His own purposes? I don't need to gain anything from giving the gospel.

Paul gave the gospel regardless of man's will. It is all about God's will.

Exactly.

When we share the Gospel, we are simply obeying His command.
Some here don't have a clue as to who Jesus or what the gospel is...
Some others still have the old X-er mentality that we have to 'win them and count them'.

Scripturally, one plants, another waters but God always gives the increase according to the good pleasure of His will...

The Xers I've been exposed to concentrated on attendance #'s

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[prophet]

Too bad I am not going to be closer to your area, Tarheel. I am training an insulation crew in Aberdeen this coming Friday.

Tell me again, what you do.

I'm interested in all things building industry.


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[FSSL]

My point was germaine, that "Prayer for God to save the Elect" is an exercise in futility, since He is going to do it anyway.

God ordained the salvation of the elect.
He also ordained the means to bring salvation to the elect.

Anyone familiar with the Bible will see this clearly. The Bible gives us example after example of the elect who came to salvation through the witness and prayers of His saints.

You are trying to hide that fact.

 

[prophet]

My point was germaine, that "Prayer for God to save the Elect" is an exercise in futility, since He is going to do it anyway.

God ordained the salvation of the elect.
He also ordained the means to bring salvation to the elect.

Anyone familiar with the Bible will see this clearly. The Bible gives us example after example of the elect who came to salvation through the witness and prayers of His saints.

You are trying to hide that fact.

OK, I'll bite.

Will God save someone, because you pray for them?

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[FSSL]

Tell me again, what you do.

I'm interested in all things building industry.

I grew up in a contractor's home. My dad purchased an insulation company. I loaded hoppers since I was 14.

I started a website business in 2006 and have over 160 web clients. I created a website to sell insulation machines. It took off and I am traveling (at will). I sold a machine to a company in NC and they want training. I am traveling (after this storm) to train them. Then I go to Ohio to help my manufacturer with their website and make a loop through Michigan to see my parents, then back down to the Gulf

 

[FSSL]

Will God save someone, because you pray for them?

Yep... if they are ordained and it is God's timing!

When you pray, do you say, "God, please save so and so..."?

 

[prophet]

Tell me again, what you do.

I'm interested in all things building industry.

I grew up in a contractor's home. My dad purchased an insulation company. I loaded hoppers since I was 14.

I started a website business in 2006 and have over 160 web clients. I created a website to sell insulation machines. It took off and I am traveling (at will). I sold a machine to a company in NC and they want training. I am traveling (after this storm) to train them. Then I go to Ohio to help my manufacturer with their website and make a loop through Michigan to see my parents, then back down to the Gulf

So it is a type of blown-in insulation hopper, that you are training them on?

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[FSSL]

So it is a type of blown-in insulation hopper, that you are training them on?

Yes. Here is the machine: https://www.insulationmachines.net/cm-2400-insulation-blowers/