David Hyles being sued

Sherryh

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I'm surprised that they haven't already had changes made under the current leadership.
I believe there was no help from fbc which is sad.
 

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It helps to point out that:

1) The Dave Hyles and Jim Vineyard scandals are still in progress, under the authority and protection of FBCH. They have still not rescinded their slanders against people who stood up against the sins of these two men, they have not rescinded academic awards given to gang members, and they have not removed Jim Vineyard's slanders from the transcripts of students who opposed his sins.

2) They are still lying that Jack Hyles is a Ruckmanite hero. Jack was a fundamentalist when God used him to build a great church. He turned Ruckmanite and then presided over one of the greatest declines in the history of Christianity.

Jack Schaap established the policy that there will be no new scandals, but the old ones will continue. This policy is still in force.
 

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It helps to point out that:

1) The Dave Hyles and Jim Vineyard scandals are still in progress, under the authority and protection of FBCH. They have still not rescinded their slanders against people who stood up against the sins of these two men, they have not rescinded academic awards given to gang members, and they have not removed Jim Vineyard's slanders from the transcripts of students who opposed his sins.
I'm not sure what you mean by "still in progress"; Jim Vineyard is dead, and Dave Hyles has not been part of FBCH for 30+ years. If you mean that FBCH hasn't fully made it right, then yes, but that's not "still in progress". I think that the current pastor has been there long enough that it's time to "clean house"; all of those in leadership that supported JH and JS need to be removed from their positions.


2) They are still lying that Jack Hyles is a Ruckmanite hero. Jack was a fundamentalist when God used him to build a great church. He turned Ruckmanite and then presided over one of the greatest declines in the history of Christianity.
I dispute that FBCH was ever a "great church"; I would grant that it was a large organization... it wasn't a church; the foundation was Jack Hyles. He built it around himself, and he demanded loyalty to himself. Moreover, the people were kept busy, but there was little spiritual depth.


Jack Schaap established the policy that there will be no new scandals, but the old ones will continue. This policy is still in force.
Anyone can make a statement about some "policy", but that has no meaning, especially as he ushered in new scandals.
 

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I believe there was no help from fbc which is sad.
Agreed. If they want God's blessings upon them as a church, they need to acknowledge the sins of the past and not cover for bad leadership in the past.
 
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