What would a Calvinist do if he found out "freewill" exists?

[Ransom]

Since it is Christ, it is called a sacrifice. One where he laid down his life for us.

Are the people who crucified Christ guilty of deliberate homicide, or not? Stop being a weasel and answer the question.

 

[Bruh]

Since it is Christ, it is called a sacrifice. One where he laid down his life for us.

Are the people who crucified Christ guilty of deliberate homicide, or not? Stop being a weasel and answer the question.

It was my sin that caused Christ to allow those men to do what they did. 

 

[christundivided]

Since it is Christ, it is called a sacrifice. One where he laid down his life for us.

Are the people who crucified Christ guilty of deliberate homicide, or not? Stop being a weasel and answer the question.

You need to read Acts 3:15 to get your answer. You haven't said anything of those whom Peter said killed Christ.

 

[christundivided]

Since it is Christ, it is called a sacrifice. One where he laid down his life for us.

Are the people who crucified Christ guilty of deliberate homicide, or not? Stop being a weasel and answer the question.

It was my sin that caused Christ to allow those men to do what they did.

It was the sin of all humanity.

 

[Bruh]

Since it is Christ, it is called a sacrifice. One where he laid down his life for us.

Are the people who crucified Christ guilty of deliberate homicide, or not? Stop being a weasel and answer the question.

It was my sin that caused Christ to allow those men to do what they did.

It was the sin of all humanity.

You know what? I have never realized that.  Wow, thanks!!

 

[christundivided]

Since it is Christ, it is called a sacrifice. One where he laid down his life for us.

Are the people who crucified Christ guilty of deliberate homicide, or not? Stop being a weasel and answer the question.

It was my sin that caused Christ to allow those men to do what they did.

It was the sin of all humanity.

You know what? I have never realized that.  Wow, thanks!!

I know you're being sarcastic... but it's not necessarily a matter of sins.... plural. It the matter of "sin". Christ dealt with sin on Calvary.

 

[Ransom]

It was my sin that caused Christ to allow those men to do what they did.

I appear to be in a weasel-rich environment. I should buy a gun, and make a coat.

Were they guilty of homicide? Yes or no? This isn't hard.

 

[christundivided]

What would a Calvinist do if he found out "freewill" exists?

What else?  He'd decide of his own free will to believe in it. 

If it was predestined to be so, that is. 

8)

I think that statement may have been the Valium speaking.....

 

[christundivided]

It was my sin that caused Christ to allow those men to do what they did.

I appear to be in a weasel-rich environment. I should buy a gun, and make a coat.

Were they guilty of homicide? Yes or no? This isn't hard.

It's not a simple Yes or No answer..... I know Calvin's little kids love to play "yes" or "no" games...... but we're big boys now. Grow up.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Since it is Christ, it is called a sacrifice. One where he laid down his life for us.

Are the people who crucified Christ guilty of deliberate homicide, or not? Stop being a weasel and answer the question.

I'm late to the party, but I'll answer this. No.
Homicide and the execution of capital punishment are different in my mind. The guy who pulls the lever on the electric chair can not be held guilty of homicide.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Read Luke 6:35-38 (or most of the Bible)
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Commandments necessitate free will.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Read Luke 6:35-38 (or most of the Bible)
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Commandments necessitate free will.

Then decide of your own free will to obey them.  All of them.  Perfectly. 

Let me know how it works out for you.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Read Luke 6:35-38 (or most of the Bible)
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Commandments necessitate free will.

Then decide of your own free will to obey them.  All of them.  Perfectly. 

Let me know how it works out for you.

I don't think you understand what free will means. It is not a superpower.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Read Luke 6:35-38 (or most of the Bible)
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Commandments necessitate free will.

Then decide of your own free will to obey them.  All of them.  Perfectly. 

Let me know how it works out for you.

I don't think you understand what free will means. It is not a superpower.

So you're saying you'd have to have super powers to obey God's commands?  Now that's interesting. 

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Read Luke 6:35-38 (or most of the Bible)
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Commandments necessitate free will.

Then decide of your own free will to obey them.  All of them.  Perfectly. 

Let me know how it works out for you.

I don't think you understand what free will means. It is not a superpower.

So you're saying you'd have to have super powers to obey ^ALL^ God's commands?  Now that's interesting.

You forgot a word.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Read Luke 6:35-38 (or most of the Bible)
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Commandments necessitate free will.

Then decide of your own free will to obey them.  All of them.  Perfectly. 

Let me know how it works out for you.

I don't think you understand what free will means. It is not a superpower.

So you're saying you'd have to have super powers to obey ^ALL^ God's commands?  Now that's interesting.

You forgot a word.

Okay.  So you're saying you'd have to have super powers to obey all God's commands?  Now, why would that be?  Is there something interfering with your ability to obey some of the commands?  If so, what do you suppose that is? 

Is someone external to you stopping you from obeying all of God's commands?  I mean, if your will is free, and you can't do it, then the force stopping you must be external to you. 

The way Erasmus put it was:  "God would not give commands unless we had the ability to obey them."  And then Luther tore his argument to shreds.  Erasmus took such a literary beating that I'm surprised he didn't go out and jump off a cliff. 

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I'm not following.

It's pretty simple. A command is useless if there is no ability to obey it.

I can speak from personal experience that I possess the ability to obey at least 1 of God's commands. Have you never obeyed ANY of God's commands?

You seem to be suggesting that God's commands are pointless.

 

[Ransom]

I'm late to the party, but I'll answer this. No.
Homicide and the execution of capital punishment are different in my mind. The guy who pulls the lever on the electric chair can not be held guilty of homicide.

I didn't ask merely about the Roman soldiers who drove the nails, but also Herod, Pontius Pilate, and presumably the high priest who were responsible for Jesus' death sentence. Were any of them guilty of his death, or are you contending that Jesus was justly executed?

And why, then, did Jesus call for their forgiveness (Luke 23:34)? If the grunts who crucified him were not culpable for his death, what were they doing wrong that required forgiveness?

 

[Mathew Ward]

Since it is Christ, it is called a sacrifice. One where he laid down his life for us.

Are the people who crucified Christ guilty of deliberate homicide, or not? Stop being a weasel and answer the question.

I have answered your question with the bible, with what Christ said. You said it was murder, I said Christ laid down his life.

You now ask is it homicide. I still answer with that Christ laid down his life.

Not difficult and very plain.

John 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

This verse comes to mind Luke 4:28-30 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong. But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

He walks through the midst of them and they can't cast him down. Why? Because he wasn't laying down his life by being cast down.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I'm not following.

It's pretty simple. A command is useless if there is no ability to obey it.

You clearly don't understand the point of the law.  Sometimes I wonder if people like you actually read the Bible.  Ever. 

I can speak from personal experience that I possess the ability to obey at least 1 of God's commands.

Tell me which one.  No, don't.  I'm afraid God will teach you a hard lesson if you do.