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We give not to be blessed but because we are blessed.

I had a couple of conversation with people back in 2011 who mentioned what EL was saying privately about JS.  There is a lot more to the story than I want to share on a public forum.

I can not imagine it either. This belief is based on having family and friends still in FBC, plus what BG has said on this forum.  Also I know for a fact that EL knew Jack was off his rocker 1 year before Jack got caught and did nothing about it.

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1972 addition or 1989 addition? I grew up with the 1972 addition Off the top of my head Amazing grace - page 256 Blessed assurance - page 157 But I guarantee I only know 2 verses of the songs because that is all we sang at FBC.  ;)

They have needed an outsider to come in and revamp the whole PA system for a while now.  They spent a ton of money when they built the new auditorium on the PA and still did not get it right. 

Nicely done.  :) I liked at the time: Toby Weaver's chorale group Jack Schaap's classes Bill Grady's classes Dr. Evan's classes

So many layers of partial truths (lies) at HAC. So who at HAC actual earned doctorates? Dr. Evans Dr. Cowling ? Also it looks like President Reagan knew what to do with the trouble makers on the right - stick them in a bureaucratic position and never hear from them again!  ;)

Are you sure about that?  He worked in the Dep. of Ed. for President Reagan.  I don't believe they would have been okay with a diploma mill. http://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/01/us/robert-j-billings-is-dead-at-68-helped-form-the-moral-majority.html

They advertised as a Christian college.  What part of Christianity do they get to ignore in your book and still be telling the truth? So am I to assume by you its okay if they covered up sin (as long as you didn't know, things were good!).  A student should just know when he goes into a place...

The point was about being affected by the bad of the place not about graduating.  My opinion is that if a person had a good foundation, they would be naturally less affected.  I am not okay with the buyer beware aspect of HAC that you seem to be fine with.  I don't find that to be a Christ...

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I had Bro. Meister as my 5th grade Sunday School teacher.  I enjoyed his class and have good memories of him.  It is humorous see how you guys saw him in a different light. Dave's shenanigans and JH's response to them drove off a lot of good people.

I missed that.  :) Away from Hammond and his dad's protection, DH must have stuck with the 18 and older crowd.  TX seems like a place that Dads and brothers would inflict bodily harm and they would have guns.  :o To bad Joy did not have a dad like that.

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Joy Evans Rider has said that she was 15 when it started with DH.  Probably the only reason no one has sued is because the statue of limitations has run out.    (I also got the impression from Voyle Glover's book and the Paula interview that there where some people who got money from Jack Hyles...

BG mentioned a while back that there was a settlement with the victim and only the lawyers and the insurance knew the amounts.

Some people that I trust have mentioned two other situations with Jack He spent a lot of time with the '12 senior class in fall of '11 and spring of '12 (flying to a youth rally in MI, meeting on senior trip, et) that he did not do with the other senior classes the previous 10 years.  It looks...

Did Jack Schaap act like a cult leader?  (I would say yes - that is why he is in prison) Did Dave Hyles act like a cult leader's son?  (I would also say yes - multiple women covered up by his father at FBC and at least 2 other churches with multiple women) Seems like that would make FBC have...

With 20/20 hindsight, FBC breaking up into 10 to 15 churches after Jack Hyles died would have been a good thing.  But then we would have had to give up our false beliefs about FBC being the greatest church since the book of Acts, and proving that Jack Hyles was the greatest Christian since...